I did a Google search for Muhammad Shareef yesterday, for reasons I can't quite remember. One of the first things it came up with was this discussion on SalafiTalk.net which really demonstrates what an awful group they are. The amazing thing about this group is how it gives complete nobodies the impression that they have the right to judge people who are far greater than they are. (For more on this, have a listen to Shaikh Abu Yusuf Riyadh al-Haq's lecture, The Legacy of Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud.) They have a great presence in the Islamic student society scene in the UK, including at my own university here in Kingston, and the lectures are nearly always by "brother so-and-so" or "Abu so-and-so". The slanders on Muhammad Shareef are bad enough: they allege that he calls to only taking knowledge from African scholars (not true: I was there, at Streatham mosque in south London, when he approved of the Light Study sessions with Shaikh Muhammad al-Ya'qoubi, who is white and comes from Syria). The slanderers also claimed that he calls to black nationalism (I've never heard this and they don't provide any examples). One "Abdul Malik Muhammad Ibn Salafiyyah Al Amreeky" claims that Muhammad Shareef is "my next door naighbor basically Ahkee" by which he means living in the same city and that Shareef "has an impact of the people". One of them also calls Shareef "ignorant of Tawheed and Aqeedah", by which they mean, of course, that he is not a Wahhabi.
Worse, one of the contributors dares to make negative comments about Shaikh Uthmaan Dan Fodio himself, regarding his belief about "good bid'ah" which is the well-known position of the 'ulama (for example, the practice of building Islamic universities was not known in the time of the Prophet, sall' Allahu 'alaihi wa sallam). Shaikh Uthmaan studied the deen for years under people well-connected to the international community of ulama (including one with a silsila back to one of Muhammad b. Abdul-Wahhab's shaikhs or grand-shaikhs, who came from Sind in India). He defended Islam in the courts of the corrupt (and sometimes disbelieving) rulers of the time, he taught Islam to the people, and he fought jihad to establish the Shari'ah. Unlike Ibn Abdul-Wahhab, who lived around the same time, no sect has appeared with his name - his people are Sunni Muslims like any other. These sniping slanderers behind their computer screens are not fit to clean the Shaikh's shoes.
as-salaamu alaikum wa rahmantullahi wa barakatahu
Hi there, I just read your post about salafitalk..
I think the problem is that salafitalk is written for salafi's who already have knowledge about what salafi talk.. salafi publications believe.
The statements are not generall and all encompassing .. and the readers of this site usually understand this.
On the good biddahs.. well Islam is perfect.. therefore muslims do not believe in biddah.. in anything.. when it is related to the religion. the scholar in question believes in biddah in the religion. Innovations.. and this is wrong..as Islam came as something perfect.. and if you would like to find something out .. then refer back to the Quran and Sunnah. Everything is in there.
The problem is that the majority of muslims have left this concept and some have started to commit major shirk? Do you know what shirk is? It is the same thing the prophet spent the first 13 years of his life preaching against! Before he made anything else unlawful.
I have been on alot of sites with intelligent right winged and some bnp members.. All of them say that your Islamic societies contradict themselves. And they are right.. Muslims contradict themselved far too often.. However, whenever I have given them info from salafitalk.. they accept it and it sits in their bellies because they can see no wrong in what I say.. accept that they believe something different.. In fact many are impressed by the lack of contradiction by these people..
I try my best to follow the Quran and the Sunnah and I know these people personally.. They have very bad manners and I agree do judge way too often others.. However, when it comes to manhaj and aqueedah they are spot on.
I am happy to answer any questions you may have.. to confirm this fact..
and believe me you will be enlightened.. as I was!
kind regards
asalaamu alaikum rahmantullahi wa barakatahu
salam muslims, my question is that does salafitalk.net really represent the real salaf, the salaf ulemas or are they just avg. salafi men who out of error shout things out of hatred/jealousy/or just to sound unique n different..i also read zakir naik + ahmed deedat + many others knowledge ppl being refuted on salaficast.net so im just confused wusap with these salafs.. i liike the salafi dawa but this over-refutations, one of the aalim said that salafi refute so much that they ended up refuted themselves amongst salafis this was by ahmed jibril an aalim... anyways thats wot im feeling right now..
BismiLlah,
Just dropped by on my search looking for an article.
I was taught by my salafi friend that the best way to learn Islaam according to KitabuLlah and asSunnah is to adhere to the method of the salaf.
HOWEVER, he remind me not to take the disputes between the ASAAGHIR but to look beyond to the opinion of AKAABIR.
So whatever circulated in any websites should be rechecked with fatwaa of more knowledgable Ulamaa, which have become lesser and lesser these days after the death of syaikh ibn baaz, ibn uthaymeen, al-albaani, and muqbil ibn haadi.
Ill take as an example the case of jameeah ahlul hadeeth in UK and salafitalk and its settlement in madeenah.org
abu Noh
I agree that many on salafitalk are not Scholars or even Students of Knowledge. But the site is well moderated and the admin are brothers who are not Scholars but they are definitely Students of Knowledge. Ofcourse, they should not be blindly followed and they themselves never call anyone to blindly follow them. Listen to a good lecture by Dai'ee Abu Khadeejah may Allaah protect him who is also the Imaam & Khateeb of the Masjid and one of the founders of SalafiPublications on troid.org refuting blind following(taqleed).
Regarding manners, I'm not too sure. But recently brother Moosaa Richardson who is studying at Mecca and is one of the members of salafitalk.has translated a book by Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen on the topic which is being released by Salafi Bookstore.
Assalamu Alaikum,
All I can say is that I met Muhammad Shareef years ago when he came to Trinidad. And when speaking to him about certain topics he got angry.
Now I am not a confrontational person. Muhammad Shareef told brothers and sisters in that Majlis that Bid'ah is divided into 5 categories. After the lecture I pulled him aside and spoke to him in Arabic so no one else would understand what we were saying. Then he got angry, changed the convo to English and said aloud that I was filled with pride!!! Started to raise his voice and stuff. He also called Shaikh Ul Islam Ibn Taymeeyah A Mujassim i.e one who makes Allah similar to his creation. He also accused Shaikh Ul Islam of making Takfeer of the Muslims without any Haqq.
Hence upon meeting the man and his seeing how he operates I can vouch for the comments which the brothers from spubs made in this case.
Assalamu Alaikum,
As for Shehu Uthmaan Dan Fodio no doubt he was influential in Africa. And from what I know of him he fought innovations and taqleed in West Africa. And everyone's statements are accepted and rejected except for the Messenger (Salallahu alaihi wa sallam)
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah,
As far as my knowledge is concern either salafitalk.net or troid.org is not based on manhaju salaf since they are propagating the ideology of Hakimiyya in the banner of salafi creed. For example you can see in salafitalk net that democracy as a Shirk by misquoting the Ayat 40 from Surat Yusuf, Ina hukumu ilalillahi, as our Ihwanee leaders have been given the same to declare democracy as shirk, voting as shirk, elections are shirk etc. The same old Ihwanee ideology presented here but in the name of Salafi creed. The troid has gone farther as defining democracy as worshipping of the majority, I seek refuge with Allah.
Our beloved Prophet Mohammed salallahu alayhiwasalam explained Ibaadah as; 'Adua hu wal Ibaadah' (sorry if misspell).It means Ibaadah is “the Prayer”. So what ever good deeds you do (with Itibaah) for Allah with a prayer/ dua it is an Ibaadah/ worship to Allah in Islam. If there is no dua it will not be considered as Ibaadah/ worship. That is why if a person asks help to a dead one or a deity other than Allah is called Shirk in Islam. Because, his dua has directed to that dead one who does not know the unseen. But Allah only knows that. So he is ascribing partners with Allah in worship. If you obey the rules made by a Kafir govt it will not consider as Ibadaah because there is no dua in your obedience. This is the major difference between Muslims and Jamaat e Islami, Ihwanee followers. They believe that if a Muslim obeys the rules made by a system of un-Islamic govt it is an ibaadah to that govt. because of this misinterpretation they believe to be living in India and elsewhere as Mushriks. But Muslims in India and elsewhere believe that until and unless there is no dua in obedience, obeying the rules of a kaafir Govt will not be considered as Ibaadah and hence it is not a Shirk.
Now see the definition the author has given for democracy in the so called Salafi site www.troid.org, democracy means ‘the worshipping of the majority’. (Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez brings forth a multitude of clear proofs opposing the 'way of life' known as democracy (the worshipping of the majority!). Now you decide whether there is any dua in democracy as this Shaykh has given. Have you believe that people are worshipping the majority in democracy? Then, where is Dua in this phenomenon? Now it is clear these people are not Salafi but they are the real Bidhahees. May Allah save the Muslim community from the fitna of these scholars
My dear brothers and sisters in Islam please make sure a website by its creed and methodology instead of its name. These people are fraudulent and counterfeit Salafees to create misunderstanding among the people about Salafism.
And say: "Truth has come and falsehood has vanished. Surely! Falsehood is ever bound to vanish." (Al-Isra 17:81)
Mammedutty Nilambur
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Wallahi, you do not have a clue what you're talking about. My sincere advice to you is that you should learn the Usool of the Religion first, don't use your own 'aql over these issues. Furthermore you are accusing markazis and people who are well known to the Salafee 'Ulama for their salafyyah and you dare to declare them as mubtadee'. Akhii fear Allah and hold your tongue. your utterance will be a hujjah against you on the day of judgement.
Allahu Musta'an
Abdul Noor
Salafi Publications and Troids are considered to be the Madhakili (pro-Saudi King) versions of the Salafi ulema and have lost a lot of popularity. But they have now been replaced by another much more militant, Jihadi Salafi forum:
forums.IslamicAwakening.com
Out of curiosity what are your opinions of this forum