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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2005/08/15/rushdie_careful_what_you_wish_for#comment-6080</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flanstein, Kafir,

Let&#039;s forget about the twisted facts you present.

Would I be right if I say you are after a mono-culture for this world where all the references will be your values and standards (whatever that is)?  Or, at least you would prefer your parameters to be the guiding light for most cultures and ideologies?

I am still hear posing questions and responding cos I am interested in understanding your psychology, and this discussion has been rewarding to that end.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flanstein, Kafir,</p>

<p>Let&#8217;s forget about the twisted facts you present.</p>

<p>Would I be right if I say you are after a mono-culture for this world where all the references will be your values and standards (whatever that is)?  Or, at least you would prefer your parameters to be the guiding light for most cultures and ideologies?</p>

<p>I am still hear posing questions and responding cos I am interested in understanding your psychology, and this discussion has been rewarding to that end.</p>
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		<title>By: DrM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Iqbal, you missed my point. I meant that sharia has become a scape goat for regimes who cared for human rights anyway. These regimes are almost all secular and without any religious support.
Fecalstein is one to talk about community college considering he&#039;s a junior high dropout. I doubt either he or kafir kitty litter have any real higher education. Its always amusing to view the hypocrisy of those who come from the most perverted and sexually charged societys in the world comment on the private relations between selected Prophets and their wives. Its obvious they are filth, the sort which should be banned for abusive and increasingly racist commentary.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Iqbal, you missed my point. I meant that sharia has become a scape goat for regimes who cared for human rights anyway. These regimes are almost all secular and without any religious support.
Fecalstein is one to talk about community college considering he&#8217;s a junior high dropout. I doubt either he or kafir kitty litter have any real higher education. Its always amusing to view the hypocrisy of those who come from the most perverted and sexually charged societys in the world comment on the private relations between selected Prophets and their wives. Its obvious they are filth, the sort which should be banned for abusive and increasingly racist commentary.</p>
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		<title>By: Kafir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kafir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aisha sounds to have been intelligent and also spirited - she argued with Mohammed on occasions.

Nevertheless for a 50 year old man to have sex with a 9 year old child is just wrong. Full stop. Whether &#039;married&#039; or not. If she was playing with dolls she couldn&#039;t have been that mature for her age. And in any case so what? A nine year old girl is a child. Sex with a child is wrong.

You Muslims think Mohammed was a perfect human being. Well this incident shows he wasn&#039;t.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aisha sounds to have been intelligent and also spirited - she argued with Mohammed on occasions.</p>

<p>Nevertheless for a 50 year old man to have sex with a 9 year old child is just wrong. Full stop. Whether &#8216;married&#8217; or not. If she was playing with dolls she couldn&#8217;t have been that mature for her age. And in any case so what? A nine year old girl is a child. Sex with a child is wrong.</p>

<p>You Muslims think Mohammed was a perfect human being. Well this incident shows he wasn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flanstein?

Are you tempted to say anyone over &quot;18&quot; years of age?

Well, may I inform you that the age of (sexual) consent in Japan for instance is still 13.  And in the UK was perhaps as low as 10 a century ago.

Unawareness or education, to be charitable,  is proving to be a factor here in this discussion.  I know you will disagree, cos you always seem to know better.

Peace!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flanstein?</p>

<p>Are you tempted to say anyone over &#8220;18&#8221; years of age?</p>

<p>Well, may I inform you that the age of (sexual) consent in Japan for instance is still 13.  And in the UK was perhaps as low as 10 a century ago.</p>

<p>Unawareness or education, to be charitable,  is proving to be a factor here in this discussion.  I know you will disagree, cos you always seem to know better.</p>

<p>Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And certainly not immoral by the standards of the noble Shariah (in the specific context of Aisha&#039;s engagement to the Prophet (peace be upon him).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And certainly not immoral by the standards of the noble Shariah (in the specific context of Aisha&#8217;s engagement to the Prophet (peace be upon him).</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flan,
I meant to say , lack of awareness is proving to be at the heart of our disagreement in this discussion.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flan,
I meant to say , lack of awareness is proving to be at the heart of our disagreement in this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saidie,
There is disagreement as to the exact age of Aisha (God be pleased with her)  when she married the Prophet (peace be upon him).

However, even if she was 9 years old, it was not something unheard of or immoral in the Makkan society of the time, and even in some societies today.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saidie,
There is disagreement as to the exact age of Aisha (God be pleased with her)  when she married the Prophet (peace be upon him).</p>

<p>However, even if she was 9 years old, it was not something unheard of or immoral in the Makkan society of the time, and even in some societies today.</p>
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		<title>By: bikhair</title>
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		<dc:creator>bikhair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flanstien,

&quot;Spare me your community-college based mutterings on logic and deductive reasoning.&quot;

There is nothing wrong with a community college. Generally people who go to community colleges and transfer to universities do far better than those who never went to community college and went to university straight from High school.

Ã¢ÂÂwhy would a fifty year old man WANT to marry and have sex with a child?Ã¢ÂÂ

It never occured to you Flanstein that thier relationship wasnt about sex? The degree to which you insist to know why he had sex with a nine years old shows your own depravity. You will not make thier relationship about sex and try to get the Muslims here to forget the fact that Muslims should marry for strategic purposes also.

Prophet Muhammed only married one considerably younger woman. The rest were older and war widows, making his marriage to Aisha the exception and not the rul. If this really were about an old man wanting to sex up young girls Aisha wouldnt be the only one you are pining about.

Doesnt his marriage have anything to do with the fact that he wanted to cement family ties between others clans of the Quarish? Abu Bakr being a respectable member of such tribes. This was so common in these days considering the nature of a tribal, desert society- marriages that formed bonds between tribes.  He also married off members of his own family to members of other clans to cement the relationship between them.

Now if you can only consider the sexual relationship that went on,  I wonder what your perversion is.


&quot;A Woman is not married until she is consulted, and a virgin is not married until you have her permission.&quot; They said, &quot;O messenger of Allaah! And how do obtain her permission? He(Sallallaahu Alay hi Wa Sallam) said: &quot;If she is silent.&quot; (An taskuta)

[reported by Abu Hurayrah (r)] [Bukhaaree, Muslim, Abu Daawood, and an-Nisaa&#039;ee]
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flanstien,</p>

<p>&#8220;Spare me your community-college based mutterings on logic and deductive reasoning.&#8221;</p>

<p>There is nothing wrong with a community college. Generally people who go to community colleges and transfer to universities do far better than those who never went to community college and went to university straight from High school.</p>

<p>Ã¢ÂÂwhy would a fifty year old man WANT to marry and have sex with a child?Ã¢ÂÂ</p>

<p>It never occured to you Flanstein that thier relationship wasnt about sex? The degree to which you insist to know why he had sex with a nine years old shows your own depravity. You will not make thier relationship about sex and try to get the Muslims here to forget the fact that Muslims should marry for strategic purposes also.</p>

<p>Prophet Muhammed only married one considerably younger woman. The rest were older and war widows, making his marriage to Aisha the exception and not the rul. If this really were about an old man wanting to sex up young girls Aisha wouldnt be the only one you are pining about.</p>

<p>Doesnt his marriage have anything to do with the fact that he wanted to cement family ties between others clans of the Quarish? Abu Bakr being a respectable member of such tribes. This was so common in these days considering the nature of a tribal, desert society- marriages that formed bonds between tribes.  He also married off members of his own family to members of other clans to cement the relationship between them.</p>

<p>Now if you can only consider the sexual relationship that went on,  I wonder what your perversion is.</p>

<p>&#8220;A Woman is not married until she is consulted, and a virgin is not married until you have her permission.&#8221; They said, &#8220;O messenger of Allaah! And how do obtain her permission? He(Sallallaahu Alay hi Wa Sallam) said: &#8220;If she is silent.&#8221; (An taskuta)</p>

<p>[reported by Abu Hurayrah (r)] [Bukhaaree, Muslim, Abu Daawood, and an-Nisaa&#8217;ee]</p>
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		<title>By: Kafir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kafir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And certainly not immoral by the standards of the noble Shariah (in the specific context of AishaÃ¢ÂÂs engagement to the Prophet (peace be upon him).
&lt;/i&gt;

Nonsense. The context doesn&#039;t make right an act that is wrong. A 50 year old man having sex with a nine year old girl is just sick.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And certainly not immoral by the standards of the noble Shariah (in the specific context of AishaÃ¢ÂÂs engagement to the Prophet (peace be upon him).
</i></p>

<p>Nonsense. The context doesn&#8217;t make right an act that is wrong. A 50 year old man having sex with a nine year old girl is just sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Saidie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saidie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I don&#039;t believe Aisha was 9 years old.  One has to read up on the historians Tabari, Ibn Hisham, Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hajar amongst others.  She was 14, possibly older.  If only it was possible to do an IQ test on her.  I&#039;m sure it would have gone through the roof.  She was an exceptionally intelligent woman for her age.  Men of that era used to go to her for advice.  Muslim men take note.  :)

Aisha&#039;s parents married her off themselves....she wasn&#039;t kidnapped or forced.

I have a question to put forward to knowlegeable muslims.  I have spoken to Sunni and Shia muslims and their versions of Aisha differ so vastly..........that she might as well be different people to both.  Why is this?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I don&#8217;t believe Aisha was 9 years old.  One has to read up on the historians Tabari, Ibn Hisham, Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hajar amongst others.  She was 14, possibly older.  If only it was possible to do an IQ test on her.  I&#8217;m sure it would have gone through the roof.  She was an exceptionally intelligent woman for her age.  Men of that era used to go to her for advice.  Muslim men take note.  :)</p>

<p>Aisha&#8217;s parents married her off themselves&#8230;.she wasn&#8217;t kidnapped or forced.</p>

<p>I have a question to put forward to knowlegeable muslims.  I have spoken to Sunni and Shia muslims and their versions of Aisha differ so vastly&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.that she might as well be different people to both.  Why is this?</p>
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