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	<title>Comments on: Guardian: religious reform and iconoclasm</title>
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		<title>By: bikhair</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2005/08/17/guardian_religious_reform_and_iconoclasm#comment-6132</link>
		<dc:creator>bikhair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flanstien,

&quot;Equal rights before the law do not exist under Islamic law. One citizen, one vote does not exist under Islamic law.&quot;

I&#039;ll concede. We dont have much to vote on under the sharia but I am not at liberty to say this with confidence. You&#039;d have to ask a scholar.

&quot;Freedom of worship does not exist under Islamic law.&quot;

Yeah it does but it is limited, especially for non Muslims and deviant Muslims.

&quot;Minorities Ã¢ÂÂ that is, non-Muslims Ã¢ÂÂ enjoy rights and protections at the pleasure of the Muslim community that are ever-subject to the capriciousness of a rights-canceling fatwa.&quot;

Very Very strange. So Muslims dont have an obligaiton to fulfil thier oaths and treaties with people. They can just be cancelled by any Qadi who wishes to do so? Please I need evidence from the Sunnah for that.

&quot;Indeed, Islamic law is not the basis of a religion, as the Judeo-Christian world understands religion, but is rather a controlling ideology that is nothing short of totalitarian.&quot;

You&#039;ll have to explain this one for me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flanstien,</p>

<p>&#8220;Equal rights before the law do not exist under Islamic law. One citizen, one vote does not exist under Islamic law.&#8221;</p>

<p>I&#8217;ll concede. We dont have much to vote on under the sharia but I am not at liberty to say this with confidence. You&#8217;d have to ask a scholar.</p>

<p>&#8220;Freedom of worship does not exist under Islamic law.&#8221;</p>

<p>Yeah it does but it is limited, especially for non Muslims and deviant Muslims.</p>

<p>&#8220;Minorities Ã¢ÂÂ that is, non-Muslims Ã¢ÂÂ enjoy rights and protections at the pleasure of the Muslim community that are ever-subject to the capriciousness of a rights-canceling fatwa.&#8221;</p>

<p>Very Very strange. So Muslims dont have an obligaiton to fulfil thier oaths and treaties with people. They can just be cancelled by any Qadi who wishes to do so? Please I need evidence from the Sunnah for that.</p>

<p>&#8220;Indeed, Islamic law is not the basis of a religion, as the Judeo-Christian world understands religion, but is rather a controlling ideology that is nothing short of totalitarian.&#8221;</p>

<p>You&#8217;ll have to explain this one for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Kafir</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2005/08/17/guardian_religious_reform_and_iconoclasm#comment-6131</link>
		<dc:creator>Kafir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bikhair - while whingeing and moaning about perceived Islamophobia, and demanding, in liberal democracies, nothing less than free speech and equal rights, Muslims are now &#039;conceding&#039; that equal rights and democracy do not exist under Islam, and that freedom of worship is restricted.

The hypocrisy!

Can you or any of your fellow Muslims understand why, as a non-Muslim I&#039;d fight this tooth and nail? What right have you to impose your 7th century crap on other countries? Stay in your Muslim hellholes if that&#039;s what you want to do.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikhair - while whingeing and moaning about perceived Islamophobia, and demanding, in liberal democracies, nothing less than free speech and equal rights, Muslims are now &#8216;conceding&#8217; that equal rights and democracy do not exist under Islam, and that freedom of worship is restricted.</p>

<p>The hypocrisy!</p>

<p>Can you or any of your fellow Muslims understand why, as a non-Muslim I&#8217;d fight this tooth and nail? What right have you to impose your 7th century crap on other countries? Stay in your Muslim hellholes if that&#8217;s what you want to do.</p>
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		<title>By: bikhair</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2005/08/17/guardian_religious_reform_and_iconoclasm#comment-6130</link>
		<dc:creator>bikhair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flanstien,

Sorry dear, but my religion doesnt come from a female Hamas member who is so jahil she would set herself on fire.

&quot;Mahmoud Zahar, had this to say: Ã¢ÂÂthe march of resistance will continue until the Islamic flag is raised, not only over the minarets of Jerusalem, but over the whole universe.Ã¢ÂÂ

Did the Prophet Muhammed say this? Did Abu Bark say this, did Umar say this, did Ali say this sid Uthman say this? Thats where my religion comes from.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flanstien,</p>

<p>Sorry dear, but my religion doesnt come from a female Hamas member who is so jahil she would set herself on fire.</p>

<p>&#8220;Mahmoud Zahar, had this to say: Ã¢ÂÂthe march of resistance will continue until the Islamic flag is raised, not only over the minarets of Jerusalem, but over the whole universe.Ã¢ÂÂ</p>

<p>Did the Prophet Muhammed say this? Did Abu Bark say this, did Umar say this, did Ali say this sid Uthman say this? Thats where my religion comes from.</p>
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		<title>By: Shamil</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2005/08/17/guardian_religious_reform_and_iconoclasm#comment-6129</link>
		<dc:creator>Shamil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Like so many Muslims, you are mindlessly anti-Semitic.&quot;

Mindlessly anti-semitic?

As opposed to what?

Rationally anti-semitic?

I wasn&#039;t aware such a thing was accepted to exist in civilized society.

What exactly what was it I said that was anti-semitic?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Like so many Muslims, you are mindlessly anti-Semitic.&#8221;</p>

<p>Mindlessly anti-semitic?</p>

<p>As opposed to what?</p>

<p>Rationally anti-semitic?</p>

<p>I wasn&#8217;t aware such a thing was accepted to exist in civilized society.</p>

<p>What exactly what was it I said that was anti-semitic?</p>
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		<title>By: Kafir</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2005/08/17/guardian_religious_reform_and_iconoclasm#comment-6128</link>
		<dc:creator>Kafir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shamil - there is no movement to convert the whole world to Judaism, as there has been right from the off to spread Islam to the whole world, whether it wants it or not.

Judaism and Christianity can exist happily in a secular state alongside other religions. The evidence, from the comments on this site alone, suggests that Islam can&#039;t.

Like so many Muslims, you are mindlessly anti-Semitic.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shamil - there is no movement to convert the whole world to Judaism, as there has been right from the off to spread Islam to the whole world, whether it wants it or not.</p>

<p>Judaism and Christianity can exist happily in a secular state alongside other religions. The evidence, from the comments on this site alone, suggests that Islam can&#8217;t.</p>

<p>Like so many Muslims, you are mindlessly anti-Semitic.</p>
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		<title>By: Shamil</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2005/08/17/guardian_religious_reform_and_iconoclasm#comment-6127</link>
		<dc:creator>Shamil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Indeed, Islamic law is not the basis of a religion, as the Judeo-Christian world understands religion, but is rather a controlling ideology that is nothing short of totalitarian.&quot;

So now its the &quot;Judeo-christian world&quot;. Is that in this solar system or in some other one. Or is it some planet from Star Trek.

In terms of totalitarianism Judaism has been identified as having quite a few totalitarian traits.

&quot;Shahak repeatedly says that Judaism has a totalitarian streak&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/shahak1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/shahak1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/shahak1.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Indeed, Islamic law is not the basis of a religion, as the Judeo-Christian world understands religion, but is rather a controlling ideology that is nothing short of totalitarian.&#8221;</p>

<p>So now its the &#8220;Judeo-christian world&#8221;. Is that in this solar system or in some other one. Or is it some planet from Star Trek.</p>

<p>In terms of totalitarianism Judaism has been identified as having quite a few totalitarian traits.</p>

<p>&#8220;Shahak repeatedly says that Judaism has a totalitarian streak&#8221;</p>

<p><a href="http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/shahak1.html"></a><a href="http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/shahak1.html">http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/shahak1.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Flanstein</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2005/08/17/guardian_religious_reform_and_iconoclasm#comment-6126</link>
		<dc:creator>Flanstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why islam is a threat to civilization?

Equal rights before the law do not exist under Islamic law. One citizen, one vote does not exist under Islamic law. Freedom of worship does not exist under Islamic law. Minorities -- that is, non-Muslims -- enjoy rights and protections at the pleasure of the Muslim community that are ever-subject to the capriciousness of a rights-canceling fatwa. Indeed, Islamic law is not the basis of a religion, as the Judeo-Christian world understands religion, but is rather a controlling ideology that is nothing short of totalitarian.


Islam&#039;s Goals Clarified. Commenting on the first self-immolation by a female Hamas suicide bomber, one of the organization&#039;s leaders, Mahmoud Zahar, had this to say: &quot;the march of resistance will continue until the Islamic flag is raised, not only over the minarets of Jerusalem, but over the whole universe.&quot;

Not on my watch buddy...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why islam is a threat to civilization?</p>

<p>Equal rights before the law do not exist under Islamic law. One citizen, one vote does not exist under Islamic law. Freedom of worship does not exist under Islamic law. Minorities &#8212; that is, non-Muslims &#8212; enjoy rights and protections at the pleasure of the Muslim community that are ever-subject to the capriciousness of a rights-canceling fatwa. Indeed, Islamic law is not the basis of a religion, as the Judeo-Christian world understands religion, but is rather a controlling ideology that is nothing short of totalitarian.</p>

<p>Islam&#8217;s Goals Clarified. Commenting on the first self-immolation by a female Hamas suicide bomber, one of the organization&#8217;s leaders, Mahmoud Zahar, had this to say: &#8220;the march of resistance will continue until the Islamic flag is raised, not only over the minarets of Jerusalem, but over the whole universe.&#8221;</p>

<p>Not on my watch buddy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kafir</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2005/08/17/guardian_religious_reform_and_iconoclasm#comment-6125</link>
		<dc:creator>Kafir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nutty.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nutty.</p>
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		<title>By: bikhair</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2005/08/17/guardian_religious_reform_and_iconoclasm#comment-6124</link>
		<dc:creator>bikhair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 01:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. M,

Chill...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. M,</p>

<p>Chill&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bikhair</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2005/08/17/guardian_religious_reform_and_iconoclasm#comment-6123</link>
		<dc:creator>bikhair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 01:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. M &amp; Shamil,

Please when the kafiroon make statements about Allah and his slaves, please refute them with daleel and the haqq. Who cares about how they behave themselves in the world, because on the day of reserection thier deeds will be futile and our limbs will be a witness against us. So please lets speak about the Quran and the Sunnah. It is in every way our only defense.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. M &amp; Shamil,</p>

<p>Please when the kafiroon make statements about Allah and his slaves, please refute them with daleel and the haqq. Who cares about how they behave themselves in the world, because on the day of reserection thier deeds will be futile and our limbs will be a witness against us. So please lets speak about the Quran and the Sunnah. It is in every way our only defense.</p>
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