Salaam,

i just wanted to say - if anyone wants to know about salafis, then why dont you ask salafis or specifically research on salafi websites? sounds logical to me. go to salafipublications.com, if u dont find what u want there, research on their links as they are the most accurate places to read.

as for reading what sufis have to say about salafis or salafi scholars, then it goes without saying that the distortions and blatant LIES are immense and apparant. obviously hurt by the realities that salafis have extracted from the way of the prophet and the quran, having your desires extinguished by facts, you feel it’s okay to slander and lie. you know who you are, so pls pls pls, as bikhair said, dont give me an ulcer.

“I thought that was a Shi-ite thing.”

No. As I understand it Shias dont have the same books of hadith as Sunnis do because they dont like anyone except Ahlul bait- people of the house, Prophet Muhammed (sallalhu alaihi wa salams) house, i.e. Fatima, Ali, not Aisha.

“What would it mean in practice?”

I dont know. By that time it will be out of anyones control.

“King Fahd Masjid in Culver City California? Isn’t that the masjid which Kahanist terrorists of the JDL plotted to blow up in late 2001?”

Probably, but thankfully they were either too incompetent or didnt have the stuff to grow through with it. There were a few others on thier list also. They also wanted to assasinate, Darrel Issa who I think is a Arab republican politician who lead the charge against our then governor Grey Davis who lost in a recall election to Arnorld Schwarzenegger “The Governator” LOL, we will never get over it.

This perception is not true, as muslims are only interested in implementing Islam in their countries.

The reverse however can be said to be very true: That, non-muslims in general particularly westerners do want to impose secularism and “democracy” on the world. And they are actively imposing it. History testifies to this in an irrefutable way, and the present situation in the world is also a testimony.

Islam was never spread by the sword. Never imposed. It goes against the core teaching of this religion. True, The Islamic message can become “confrontational” when it is under threat, when values are presented, not only to challenge it (challenges are fine, that’s part of life as the Koran mentions), but to colonise and subjugate it (this is injustice). At which point it not only desireable but it is obligatory to conquer those challenges and have them completely subdued. This is the only way that Religion (any religion) and its message can be preserved. However not by blowing up innocent people and terrorising the world.

If we all get passive, then the world would have been destroyed (as it is close to). Filled with deadly weapons and the likes …for the sake of what? The prophet (peace be upon him) gave the parable of the people at the top of the ship and the people at the bottom of the ship. When the imbeciles at the bottom of the ship go thirsty they decided to bore a hole in the ship to get water. If no one stops them, everyone will sink. Such move however should not be one to change their idea about boring a hole in the ship. This is not Islamic, cos God is not looking for Robots. He is looking for purity and sincerity, not imposed conscience.

The Islamic response to threat is not designed to change peoples ideas that they hold cherish [109.6] Say….You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion. . Rather it is only strategic response and it is only wise that you defend yourself against harm….in order to protect Religion (whatever religion it may be), human life, wealth (both private, public, and natural wealth), the intellect (i.e. keep the athmosphere free of those things that will erode the greatness of the human mind/spirit), and offsprings (i.e. to ensure the Islamic world is conducive for raising ethical and physically sound human beings…through nurture of good food (yes, good food!) and good ideas). When any of these are under threat, Islam can become a militant force, to confront and conquer any opposing force that will erode these old time human moral values.

Sorr for the waffle.

Obvious, so that the human civilisation (or islamic civilisation) can be carried forward by properly raised children who are balanced and ethical. Who will not harm the planet, their souls, or other co-inhabitants of the earth.

Just something I felt like elaborating on. Nasl (Offsprings) is listed as one of the maqasid of shariah, how beautiful and important, especially in these days of child abuse/pornography.

I thought that was a Shi-ite thing.

What would it mean in practice?