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Dont let the ***** get you down Br Yusuf.

hmm.. I think it's a bit harsh of you to have posted his email on this blog. Cos he has chosen to write it to you and not to the blog. Have some mercy on the poor guy!

Like many others obviously, he doesnt think that there are people out there who can see beyond the propaganda and scare mongering, or sometimes outright lies. Hence, when they encounter critical responses, they are unable to cope... that's why he is not writing to your blog. Reminds me of George Galloways statement at the US senate, they all went silent after having raised all the so-called "serious" allegations against him.

In as much as I appreciate knowing that he contacted you to protest, next time you may want to spare us the full details of his correspondence .... If he wants it to be public, I think he will come to say something here.

In anycase, I think you have rightly and accurately classified their views under windbags. If they are not windbags, they will learn to write responsibly and present facts as they are - as opposed to distorting things for whatever reasons.

It's one thing to disagree with Islam and muslim cultures (which is not a problem, not everybody will eat the same food), it's another thing to distort it wrecklessly and yet stand on an illusory high-ground passing subtle moral verdicts. That is very typical of people who the Prophet (peace be upon him) described as "windbags". People whose intention is only to create effect for some ulterior/incoherent motive. He spoke the truth, salallahu 'aleihi wa salam.

Sorry to dwell on this guys. I have only been reading the media closely and am struck by the "oddity", to be charitable.

Just say to Yusuf, becareful with your blog. I am anony mouse! hehe! Well, except for my IP address.

Suing?! Does he think he have some sort of diplomatic immunity ? If pointing out the dishonestly of third rate hack like Malik is grounds for litigation, then HT and British royalty have one hell of a lawsuit on their hands. Dont let the goon intimidate you, Yusuf. He cant do a damn thing.

if he attempts to sue you do not worry - i have a legal team ready to make him bankrupt even if he attempts such things. Do not worry your blog's do not suggest anything that would give him grounds to sue. In fact his email is more suggestive of a threat itself, which under british law he is lia ble to being prosecuted. Do not worry

Thanks for exposing Shiv's mediocre, substandard jounrnalism. What a sorry excuse for a Journalist he is!

I met this guy when I went to the recording ofZaiuddin Sardars programme that was aired last night. I also found his conclusions about HT quite condemming, however his article in the Independant is totally sensationalised.He seemed to groom himself on Ziauddin Sardar (not really a honour is it), as well as having some strange, almost bordering on nasty comments on Tariq Ramadan. He has to make his mark, so I can only assume he has to come up with something outrageous to get a regular slot.

Hi I will be happy to respond on your blog. It's just that it's hard to trust a man who calls you a liar. Anyway I suppose I don't have a problem with it now!

I would like to point out, you have called me a liar. I point to your heading "Shiv Malik Lies Again". Call me stupid or what but the process of deduction is kind of well… homosimplisticus.

So I'd like to gladly inform you with open arms, a bunch of flowers and a balloon (that’s about as non- threatening as I can get these days) that I am not able to call anyone a liar in the big boy world of journalism (ooh those harsh insults) because I would get sued. Unless of course I had solid proof. I’m sure being a fairly reasonable person- judging by your blog- that you understand this.

So yes I spelt Kaafir wrongly. I apologise for that and thank you for pointing it out. However I don't think it is a hanging offence or even dishonest. Just slightly illetarate*. I blame that on being lazy in year five. However since there is no official transliteration from the Arabic its not entirely unfair to spell it like that. I also think that it is fair to argue that Kaafir like kaffir is employed pejoratively by the Hizbub and others.

Let me put add this, could you imagine what the response from the Muslim communities would be if say Rowan Williams publicly stated that we should boycott or refuse to integrate with the “unbelievers”. I’ll leave that to you.

So did I lie? Well the word lie incorporates the term intention. How do you know that it was my intention to ill inform my readership and if so for what real gain? You assume all of this with total confidence. Should you?

You also assume that because I use quotes by Zeyno Baran, that have also appeared in her articles, I must not have spoken to her. I have, on many occasions and she is a lovely and fascinatingly intelligent person. I have the email correspondence to prove it but I’d hate to give it to you as I’m sure that you’d publish it and that really wouldn’t be fair to Zeyno. But contact her if you wish.

So back to the point. Is it that crazy that she could have repeated to me verbally what she wrote in her report? No, you even suggest it yourself. That in fact must have been the case but I never noticed that what was in her report was also reproduced in her speech. I tend to have better things to do than to pick holes over the minutia of life (there are those insults again, they just slip out sorry).

So again you assume the worst about my character. No problem. I’m fairly tough and can take a lot of invective, it’s part of my job I suppose. However I did expect a better more rational response from you, Yusuf. Obviously I was wrong and frankly I’m heart broken and wallowing in the pain of life at the betrayal of rationality.

Anyway I would love to defend myself and debate the real issues here especially when I am being called a liar. But lets do it openly and in public- we could even charge the audience and give the money to the registered charity of your choice!

I have made my views public before. I have faced questioning from Inayat Bunglawala himself on his own show on the Islam channel. I have nothing to hide except my convictions (no doubt evily twisting an Oscar Wilde quote there. I hope you dont mind).

So if you give me your details then I will phone you and we can meet in a public forum along with as many people who’d like to attend. Yes even Imran Waheed can join in if he wants. I would of course, love to give you my address but I’ve already had enough hate mail as it is. Why I got slightly arsy is if your willing to make allegations then you should respond to those that you have never met, spoken to or communicated with ever, pretty promptly. Isn't anything else just a little rude? But I do it myself all the time so i guess i don't do unto others what I'd have done unto me.

Regards, wishes and kisses,

Your mate, Shiv.

*that’s a joke spelling by the way- don’t take it seriously

P.S. Jason with your legal knowledge, the invitations to the Bar must be flooding in.

Hi Shiv,

Your thesis was that hizbi guys are infiltrating British institutions, i.e they are not necessarily people working in professional jobs like many people in this country (UK).

How would you go about defending such a thesis?

Do you have any secret recordings of them talking about infiltrating British companies and institutions? Do you have any proof, or any indication that this might be the case?

This is what you should present.

All these sensationalist journalism is really irresponsible.

Myself, I do not like hizbutahrir one bit, I disagree with them, but that shouldn't lead us to portray them as some masonic order.

If you think you have something to say to them, you should debate them on the ideology they profess ...rather than writing nonsense about them infiltrating companies or shops.

In the last decade we have had a string of brownsahibs on telly and in the popular press feeding the masses with bloodcurdling stories about radicalised asians conspiring in mosque basements, universities, community centres. We need to thank Shiv Malik for exposing this new danger in the midst of City boardrooms.

For example HT members working for Severn Trent could put stuff in our drinking water to make our hair go green, infiltrate air traffic control and make planes collide or put laxatives in our supplies of Cadbury's chocolate. They could even stage takeovers of great British brand names such as Heinz baked beans and rename the products to something silly such as "Khilafah Beans". The implications are too profound for us to ignore.

Haroon,

Ah Ha Ha Ha Ha!

Bro. Yusuf,

Asalaamualaikum wa rahmatullah... I have to have a word with you about some of my posts that I feel have been unfairly deleted.

Farah,

I saw the Ziauddin Sardar programme on BBC 4. Tariq Ramadan was simply brilliant, head-and-shoulders above everyone else and made Zia look like a schoolboy. The Syrian lady from the Royal Institute of Something was quite good too.

Sometimes when reading Zia's articles I have to remind myself that he is Muslim.

Its no laughing matter Bikhair. Birds Eye recently exposed a HT activist working in their marketing department. Apparently there was a sinister plot to replace the Captain in fish fingers adverts with Omar Bakri or Abu Hamza. Using hypnosis/subliminal messaging thousands of British muslims could have been unwittingly indoctrinated with their perverted brand of Islam....

Our khatib today at jumuah was an HT brother. Mashallah he spoke quite well and wisely. I take it back that I do not agree with HT "one bit". Besides doctrinal issues, it is quite difficult to put your finger on their problem. May be it an attitude or approach issue. Sometimes they sound so reasonable, but other times they sound funny. Isn't that the way we all are...?

>Let me put add this, could you imagine what the response from the >Muslim communities would be if say Rowan Williams publicly stated that >we should boycott or refuse to integrate with the “unbelievers”.

Shivvy-boy, with such moronic rhetoric people should be questioning your intelligence, not just the veracity of your ‘journalism’. You are nothing more than a shrill rent-a-quote. For the record, my response would be as benign as when Pope Benedict XVI opposed Turkish accession to the EU; "another continent, in permanent contrast with Europe" were his exact words. A hugely anti-integrationist message from a figure that is far more influential than HT can ever dream to be. I have an equally calm response to many of the Pope’s other strident comments about Islam and modern secularism. Most of us understand that he has every right to hold such views and express them publicly, which is why we won’t pushing people towards some kind of witch hunt. But don’t let such objectivity hold you back, you just carry on being a good boy and say what Bwana in the big house wants to hear.

How arrogant of Shiv Malik. You can come here and lie further to try to cover things up but Shiv, with your journalism has exposed your Uncle Tom credentials.

Do you think we were born yesterday, Mr Sellout?

Brother I would like to ask you some genuine questions regarding my interest/confusion around some tariqahs.

Please email me on the address above. (I cant find your elusive email address)

wsalam

Hi Shiv, your abhorrence to some of the key ideas of Islam that are the core of Hizb Ut Tahrir shows precisely that you don’t represent Muslims and yet you use your Muslim name (or Muslim by name) credentials to get your fictional babble on to the papers. You were and are still, handpicked to be the traitor to the Muslims by going against a lot of the Islamic ideas that Muslims carry. Your sentiments aren’t Islamic and neither are your concepts, what is left of you other than a arrogant individual who only stands out because he's taking the populist, sensationalist, ignorant fears of the west and using them to back-stab and badmouth a large number of Muslims in the UK. Unlike you, most Muslims know that the Islamic ideas in the Quran and the Sunnah are infinitely more superior to the wit or humor (or in your case guidance) your beloved Oscar Wild could ever produce. This may be news to you, but it takes more than eating your mums curry to make you Muslim. Anyway, I just watched the video of you getting trounced by Imran Wahid in the debate ‘Should Hizb ut-Tahrir be proscribed?’ so I suggest you stop trying to gain attention by offering open debates to attempt to agitate Brother Yusuf who I would think, has better things to do with his time. Who the heck are you anyway? Why should anyone give you a platform? You don’t represent anything.

By the way Br. Yusuf’s point about you being a liar is to do with the frequent inaccuracies you have in your ‘facts’ used again and again in your articles. One could say that if you were doing this intentionally unless your dumb or you really are an uncle-tom that you would be actually lying. If its neither of these things then most Muslims can safely assume that the only person your deceiving is yourself.

Shiv,

your a snake trying to make a name for yourself. You don't have the knowledge to debate the Islamic ideology let alone the intelligence to defend your own views.

According to your poor understanding of logic, the Labour party should be banned because people who participate in leftist politics eventually become animal rights extremists. Or those who join the Conservative party eventually join the far right.

You clearly have an agenda to glorify your name and it will be...in shit.

Mr Shiv

You are simply a guy who wants to make a name for himself. And the angle u wish to use is Hizb ut-tahrir.

So now u will sensationalise HT and hope they get mentioned in papers etc so that u can be called upon as some sort of expert.

Well thats a load of bollocks. I mean what was your article regarding "HT people working in top jobs" all about. Should they be on the dole.

Please Shiv can u respond to that

Shiv is a knob.