I have to admit I was rather surprised to hear that the president of Iran had made some remarks about wanting to see Israel “wiped off the map”, and that other countries were ever so shocked, even though the remarks, which nobody has said indicated any intention of actually trying to wipe Israel off the map, were basically a re-statement of what has been Iranian policy for decades. (Why is it that, when reading stories on the BBC’s news site, you cannot get a link to the root story?) Of course, this has put off a lot of western countries which previously had Iranian connections or at least weren’t enemies.
Tory Bliar then went on to attack other aspects of Iranian policy:
Their attitude towards Israel, their attitude towards terrorism, their attitude on the nuclear weapons issue - it isn’t acceptable. …
If they continue down this path, then people are going to believe that they are a real threat to our world security and stability.
They may believe… the eyes of the world will be elsewhere, but I felt a real sense of revulsion at those remarks.
Ah yes, those weapons. Of course, nuclear weapons in the hands of oppressive régimes is nothing new - witness India with its Hindu-fascist (until recently) ruling class, China, Russia, and a country which treated its black population like second-class citizens until well after they developed nukes. Still, I’m puzzled by people’s attitudes to Iranian nuclear weapons, which as ever come with a dose of self-delusion (not to say the usual hypocrisy whenever a country outside “the club” develops nuclear weapons).
Simon Lederman, on his night show on BBC London radio, had this cab driver on his show, who told us that people tend to think cabbies are less intelligent than they really are, and say things to them. Among them was an explanation for the Iraq war, namely that there’s a country next door which is on the verge of getting nuclear weapons along with missiles which could reach Paris. So Iraq is a kind of staging post in the event of “needing” to “do something” about Iran.
So, the only reason Iran would develop nuclear weapons is to take out a faraway city just for fun or out of spite. Peeeeeeeeowwww boom, there goes Paris. The fact that other countries are rattling the sabres and seriously talking “business” and have occupied the country next door, and that the Iranians might see the need to bolster their defences, doesn’t occur to these people. The notion that they would take out Israel with a nuke is laughable; there is no way anyone could nuke Israel without it killing a whole load of the local Arabs as well. Face it - if Iran is developing nuclear weapons, the purpose is so that other countries would think twice before invading their country, because their troops and bases could be taken out in one fell swoop.
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Considering Israel’s track record of terrorism and genocide, the Iranian President was merely voicing what many people, including Europeans feel is the greatest threat to world peace. Where was the uproar when Bush the lesser declared war on 3 countries in a row with his fascist “axis of evil” speech?! Its obvious that any country which does not have the ability to defend itself will be attacked. Iran and North Korea would have been taken out if they didnt have this ability. Nuff said.
Some neocons seem to believe that Middle Eastern Muslims hate the Jews so fanatically that given the capability to destroy Israel they would do so, even if they themselves would be destroyed in response.
Have a look at this Usenet discussion I had with neocon “Jordan179”…
Well George, you’ll never find a neocon in a trench. They’re merely projecting their hatred on others. It was Yitzhak Shamir who proclaimed “a cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland.” Tells you a bit about the zionist psyche.
The notion that they would take out Israel with a nuke is laughable; there is no way anyone could nuke Israel without it killing a whole load of the local Arabs as well
But if they just killed all the Jews, that would be OK. Priceless.
This president has got balls of steel. Respect to him for making a stand against a country that is complicit in ethnic cleansing and the murder of thousands of innocent civilians through its terrorist IDF. To an extent the aim of the speech was to bolster his ratings with the domestic audience, but it is more than what other so-called Muslims nations have done recently. In the case of Pakistan- it has betrayed the Palestinan cause by actively courting Israel and establishing diplomatic relations. Shame.
This president has got balls of steel.
Well, the Crusaders at Hattin, and the French knights at Crecy and Agincourt were brave too. It didn’t make them any less stupid….
Itâs an open secret that Israel has nuclear weapons, and the capability to obliterate its Arab neighbours and beyond. So why shouldnât another Muslim nation seek to develop nuclear weapons as a deterrent? The biggest threat to the region is Israel itself, which has a track record of launching pre-emptive strikes.
To an extent the aim of the speech was to bolster his ratings with the domestic audience
If that was the case, why did they have a big banned reading “The World Without Zionism” IN ENGLISH?
In the case of Pakistan- it has betrayed the Palestinan cause by actively courting Israel and establishing diplomatic relations.
If you forget pan-Islamism, Pakistani affinity with Israel makes a lot of sense. Israel is a Jewish state carved out of the mostly-Muslim Middle East, while Pakistan is a Muslim state carved out of mostly-Hindu India. Both feel besieged by numerically-superior enemies and put faith in their superior-quality militaries.
OP said “But if they just killed all the Jews, that would be OK. Priceless.”
Only if America had the same regard for human life when the Enola Gay dropped it’s deadly payload.
I just want to say something about nuclear weapons (something I have very strong feelings about/against)…
I think any country with nuclear weapons should considered to be uncivilised and barbaric and a loser (unquestionably in my mind) both in its political outlook and to a certain extent in every other ways, excepting from this considerations are individual citizens who are at least repulsed in their hearts by their countries nuclear toys.
These countries include US, UK, France, Germany, and so on…China, Russia, Israel, and lately Pakistan, India….and soon to join the barbarism is Iran……
These countries will continue to be in my book of losers, unless they reverse their nuclear trends. Frankly speaking -they will be the first to perish in the face of a major apocalyptic ecological/natural disaster. … …while they were certain that their fortresses would defend them
How could human beings sit down and research for years on how to develop such a weapon that can kill such a multitude of people in an instant.
Folks, it may not sink in easily for most people due to the false sensitivity we have come to have towards wars and weapons, but nuclear weapons is the ultimate peak of sub-human-ness and backwardness.
The quicker they start dismantling these weapons, the quicker we will begin to regain some of our true humanity. And the wealth from maintaining them can be spend on worthy causes such as health, homelessness, poverty, etc.
George wrote “If that was the case, why did they have a big banned reading “The World Without Zionism” IN ENGLISH?”
The president was elected on a hardline ticket, that speech was to prove his hardline credentials. The president wants to portray himself as a tough, no-nonsense statesman to the world community. He needs to be if he wants to stand his ground on the nuclear issue.
One of the reasons why Musharaf has started a rapprochement with Israel is because it’s part of his agenda to show the world the “moderate” face of Islam. I’m also sure he’s after a few arms deals as well. Betraying the Palestinian cause and the thousands that have died for the sake of a few trade deals is shameful
Only if America had the same regard for human life when the Enola Gay dropped it’s deadly payload.
Thus ending the war and saving millions of lives, including Japanese.
No way should Iran have nukes. No Muslim country should have nukes - they can’t be trusted.
This is the ranting of a woman affected by old age.
On the contrary, I’ve got everything to live for; that’s why I don’t fancy being blown up by some mad ayatollah.
OP: “Thus ending the war and saving millions of lives, including Japanese”
What a load of codswallop. Somehow i knew you were going to trot that BS out. You’re as predictable as the outcome of every Scooby Doo episode. It’s a commonly held view that Japan was on it’s knees and on the verge of surrender.
Actually Imran, you dont understand, old prickler does not value the life who doesnt belong to its religious or racial group. This coward has been trolling this blog under a variety of aliases with the usual nonsense which animates many a BNP nazi christo-fundanutcase. Their motto is simple “If it aint white, it aint right.”
Inspite of Iran’s comment, that country’s peace record still remains the envy of many of its critics who have maimed and destroyed millions of lives over the past decade.
Inspite of Iran’s comment, that country’s peace record still remains the envy of many of its critics who have maimed and destroyed millions of lives over the past decade.
What are you smoking>
I’m gobsmacked. DrM has managed not to mention the toilet.
OP:”No Muslim country should have nukes - they can’t be trusted”
Trust. The same trust the British people had in their government when Bliar presented his doomsday scenario and claimed Saddam had WMDs. How many kegs of anthrax have they found? Western governments have a knack of making up elobarate stories to justify their neo-colonialist, imperialist adventures.
In the week when it was confirmed 2000 American invaders have been killed- who is bothering to count how many Iraqis have died? There is no accurate figure on Iraqi casualties because to the Americans the lives of Iraqis are worth far less. A mentality Old Pickler mirrors.
When I read comments by people like Flanstein et al, and when I read Islamophobic weblogs, I get the impression that the US right has utterly dehumanized Muslims. I assign a large part of the blame for this on the Muslim use of suicide bombers.
It may be worth making the historical parallel with the extreme (often genocidal) anti-Japanese sentiments in World War II-era America. Read John Dower’s War without Mercy: Race and Power in the Pacific War, or take a look at My Japan, a horrifying 1945 American propaganda film, which one commenter on the site suggested had as its true purpose the justification of the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which were still to come when the film was shown.
the US right has utterly dehumanized Muslims
Well Muslims seem to do pretty well in the US, and many of them want to live there.
Well Muslims seem to do pretty well in the US, and many of them want to live there.
Sorry, I meant Muslims living in the Middle East…
cool blog :)
good luck
[bikhair here]
As a crazy Salafi-wahhabi-Saudi Kingdom lover, I would much rather destroy those dirty, disgusting, since time immerorial has been the enemy of ahlul sunnah wa jummah, rafidah Shia before Isreal any day of the week.
Muslims have had far more problems with those decietful, tuqyah practicing Shia than they will have, or will ever have with Jews or the state of Isreal. My sons arent event allowed to marry those rafidah shia but they can marry a Jew, which speaks volumes about thier eman, or lack thereof, and thier complete denial of the preservers of the Prophet’s (sallalahu aliaihi wa salam) sunnah.
Who cares about what that stinking homosexualized mutah-loving persian shia nutcase has to say about anything.
PLEASE DONT DELETE ME YUSUF! ITS STILL RAMADAN.
Salaam ‘Alaikum
How do I make the ::: jaw dropped to the floor ::: emoticon?
Salaam I second what Umm Zaid said! The language and tone used by muslims need to improve. Not to mention their attitudes! I intend this for all muslims, not just the salafi ones. If such filth comes out of you in Ramadan….!
Salaam ‘Alaikum
UmmZaid, just type MAJNOUN :)
Yusuf, I’d like to ask you something. You say “there is no way anyone could nuke Israel without it killing a whole load of the local Arabs as well”.
You also say “if Iran is developing nuclear weapons, the purpose is so that other countries would think twice before invading their country, because their troops and bases could be taken out in one fell swoop.”
So how will your proposed Iranian military doctrine really work? If it is entirely unthinkable for Iran to use nuclear weapons against Israel, for fear of killing Arabs too, and they will also not be used if an invasion of Iran is launched from, oh, Iraq either, for the same obvious reason
…can one not conclude that, in your world, the weapons would never be used?
In that case they lose the dissuasive power you attribute to them.
Think again.
From what I understand, this is an annual event in Iran. It made so much news this year because this year, one of the people making these statements was the President.
Imran to Old Pickler: “You’re as predictable as the outcome of every Scooby Doo episode.”
Predictable was the word I was going to use, too, but you put it much more cleverly, lol.
Mokum: that’s what they call “nuclear deterrence”. The point is that they are not used in first instance out of spite. There’s no point nuking a country you intend to invade, because that would leave nothing to invade.
Anyway, it’s not my “proposed” doctrine. I believe in nuclear reduction, but the country with the biggest stack of nuclear weapons in the world and a history of “intervening” in other countries’ affairs can’t really tell one of their enemies not to develop nuclear weapons.
And when I was talking about invaders, I didn’t mean Israel anyway.
“But if they just killed all the Jews, that would be OK. Priceless.”
All Israeli’s are living on land which was ethnically cleansed of it’s original Palestinian owners by Judeo-facists/Jewish fanatics in 1948. They believe they are “God’s Chosen People”, so they have a divine right to usurp the land from Gentiles/Goyim. Such poisonous theology is to be found in the Talmud. How are the Israeli’s, save for the children, innocent?
born and bred in the swere
Hahaha! What, pray, is a ‘swere’?
All Israeli’s are living on land which was ethnically cleansed of it’s original Palestinian owners
First sort out your apostrophes, which are not needed in plurals or possessive ‘its’. Then learn some history. There were never any ‘original Palestinian owners’. Ever.
Mokum - have we met?
Yusuf, I don’t think you have answered my question. I’ve challenged your idea of deterrence on your own grounds. You don’t convince me. You don’t seem to have a practical answer.
Perhaps Israel “can’t” tell Iran it should not go for the bomb.
What’s stopping you?
Assalaamu alaikum,
I don’t know about Iran, but in the case of the US and USSR, both countries knew that if they attacked the other country, then that country’s defense systems would detect them and answer with their own missiles, so both countries (not to mention the world) would be destroyed. It’s called Mutually Assured Destruction (yes, MAD), and it’s supposed to work as a deterrent. Deterrence is the reason given for all the countries who have nuclear weapons, I think, since none of them are actually going to say that they want to use them.
Old Pickler: “But if they just killed all the Jews, that would be OK. Priceless.”
Actually, it’s Israel that has been trying to develop biological weapons which would target Arabs and leave Jews alone. They were trying to study the DNA and figure out how to attack only those with certain genes specific to Arabs.
I guess now you’ll tell us that they should do that, because Arabs are scum - and besides, this shows how “advanced” the Israelis are compared to those Arabs…
And you’re not seriously trying to use the argument that Palestine was a big, empty plot of land until the Zionists came and discovered it, are you? Who do you think you’re talking to here?
I am soooo misunderstood.
Ahmedinejad is a goat. Every muslim country wants to see itself as the leader of ummah and gain international respect and recognition and tend to outdo each other .Malaysia for its economy, Pakistan nuclear bomb, Turkey economy and Ottoman Empire, Saudis for Mecca and Medina and Egypt for most populous Arab country. No one will ever let Iran assume that role.Iran sees itself as the only muslim country that stands up against the vile West.Fools .They ignore the fact that every muslim country in the world hates them. They dont even know how to convert their natural resources into wealth. http://au.biz.yahoo.com/051025/17/bwll.html
:Ah yes, those weapons. Of course, nuclear weapons in the hands of oppressive régimes is nothing new - witness India with its Hindu-fascist (until recently) ruling class, China, Russia, and a country which treated its black population like second-class citizens until well after they developed nukes. Still, Iâm puzzled by peopleâs attitudes to Iranian nuclear weaponsâ¦â¦
And how do Muslim countries treat its minorities.
Pakistan uses its infamous blasphemy laws to hang Hindus and Christians.and Saudis?
From the Malayali Manorama:
Riyadh: Saudi religious police have destroyed a clandestine makeshift Hindu temple in an old district of Riyadh and deported three worshippers found there, a newspaper reported. Members of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, or religious police, Thursday stumbled across a room converted into a temple as per pan-Arab daily Al-Hayat.
âThey were surprised to find that one room had been converted into a Hindu temple,â it said.
A caretaker who was found in the worshipping area ignored the religious police orders to stop performing his religious rituals, the paper added. He was deported along with two other men who arrived on the scene to worship. All forms of non-Muslim worship are banned in Saudi Arabia, which is home to Islamâs holiest shrines.
Saudi Arabia doesn’t allow public worship for religions other than Islam. Everyone knows that, don’t they? (Although I learned recently that Saudi Aramco - where a lot of Western expatriates work - has Christian services with paid chaplains.)
Saudi is one country and not representative of all Muslim countries.
How many times have we discussed this same topic…?
[Bikhair here]
“All forms of non-Muslim worship are banned in Saudi Arabia, which is home to Islamâs holiest shrines.”
And the problem is? Saudi Arabia doesnt bill itself as a freedom loving respecting Muslim country. It enforces the Sharia, to the extent that it can, and as a result should ban all harram forms of worship. Even when crazy Muslims try to make tawwaf around everything that isnt nailed down. InshaAllah they will be vindicated.
Blue Mountain, anything else. BTW when you bring up how hypocritical it is that Saudis to this and expect to be treated differently in non-Muslim countries please bounce over to other topics on this blog, because I will not be addressing that issue for the hundreth time.
Actually, it’s Israel that has been trying to develop biological weapons which would target Arabs and leave Jews alone. They were trying to study the DNA and figure out how to attack only those with certain genes specific to Arabs.
How absurd. The West doesn’t need to kill any Arabs, just leave them to kill each other, overbreed and die of self inflicted poverty and die of disease through their backwardness.
Supposing the Arabs got back that tiny sliver of land, Israel, that they bleat about so tediously. Do you think it would be a proseprous, functioning economy? No, within two years it would be a teeming cesspit like all the barbarian countries that surround Israel, the oasis of democracy and enlightenment.
Why would a “moderate” website give a plug to AHmedi cultists who are not representatives of Muslims anywhere?
“There were never any ‘original Palestinian owners’. Ever.”
Typical right-wing Christo-Fascist/Judeo-fascist propaganda prevalent in America. I guess the fact that all censuses taken by the Ottomans, British and the UN showing an absolute Palestinian/Arab majority in Palestine before the British allowed thousands of Zionist parasites to emmigrate there mean nothing to you?
It’s funny that you muse over the use of “it’s” and “its”, can’t you debate facts rather than become pedantic?
“How absurd. The West doesn’t need to kill any Arabs, just leave them to kill each other, overbreed and die of self inflicted poverty and die of disease through their backwardness.”
Typical racist trash talk by right-wing Christo-Fascist American trailer trash. If this is the level of American “debate”, is it no wonder the majority of these clowns actually believe Palestine was an empty county, Saddam was responsible for 9-11, or they’re helping Iraqi’s by killing 100,000 of their countrymen in an illegal war.
Before you denigrate Muslims, let me remind you of our illustrious history, something which trailer-trash like you would ever know about. We have a history of picking ourselves up from the destruction wrought upon our people by Christian-fascists, ie crusades, colonialism, US imperialism.
http://www.muslimheritage.com/ http://www.cyberistan.org/
Blue Mountain, you must not be a regular Indigo Jo reader, b/c he has written many times about the Ahmediya. You either know what to expect or you don’t… or you do but you just want to make jibes at him anyway.
Blue Mountain, of course you’re right. Every Muslim country persecutes minorities, and every non-Muslim country doesn’t. @@
You and Old Pickler really need to get out a little bit.
In fact, Old Pickler, I have a great idea. Why don’t you go live in Israel, that little slice of Paradise on earth? Maybe we can take up a collection… as for me, I’ll stay in my cesspool/hellhole here, where I’m perfectly happy alhamdulillah. (And by the way, I was perfectly fine as a non-Muslim for the first couple of years that I was here.)
As-Salaamu ‘alaikum UZ, in fact, the Ahmedis are not that badly persecuted in Pakistan. There is material on the Anti-Ahmadiyya site which demonstrates that there are Qadiani officials in the Bush*rraf government. Besides which, compared to followers of previous fake prophets, the Qadianis have got off lightly, given that they still exist.
Besides which, compared to followers of previous fake prophets, the Qadianis have got off lightly, given that they still exist.
Bravo !!!! Carry on Brother !!
Old Pickler, you’ll probably like this:
The Ringworm Children: How the Israeli Government Irradiated 100,000 Israeli Kids
On August 14, at 9 PM, Israel’s Channel Ten television screened a documentary film which exposes the ugliest secret of Israel’s Labor party founders: the deliberate mass radiation poisoning of nearly all Sephardi youths of a generation…
Every Sephardi child was to be given 35,000 times the maximum dose of x-rays through his head. For doing so, the American government paid the Israeli government 300 million Israeli liras a year. The entire Health budget was 60 million liras. The money paid by the Americans is equivalent to billions of dollars today…
6,000 of the children died shortly after their doses were given, while many of the rest developed cancers that killed thousands over time and are still killing them now…
[Sephardi are Arabs.]
Just to make sure this was true, I found the film mentioned at the website for the Israeli Film Festival.
Oooh, it’s in a film so it must be true.
Well, the film won “Best Documentary” at the Haifa International Film Festival.
And the Israeli government is compensating the victims, without admitting that they did anything wrong, of course: Israel compensates for ringworm treatment.
That crap film about the made up massacre in Jenin won awards. So did Michael Moores cruddy films. Means nothing.
Sephardi are Arabs
No they’re not, they’re Jews.
I was just clarifying the term in case someone wasn’t familiar with it. The Ashkenani Jews are from Europe and hold power in Israel. The Sephardic Jews are a minority which has never been treated equally - maybe not as bad as the Ethiopian Jews, though. (OK, here’s your cue to deny that Israel would ever discriminate against anyone.)
“Arab” is not a religion. There are Arab Jews, Arab Christians, and Arab atheists, as well as Arab Muslims.
Oops - let me correct the typo before Old Pickler uses it against me. That should be “Ashkenazi”, not “Ashkenani”.
Hahaha - like the Jews are treated equally in Muslim countries.
You’re getting really desperate now, Ann. Why don’t you just admit, as your fellow posters do that Christians and Jews are not meant to be treated equally because Islam is right.
Sephardic Jews are not Arabs. And whatever minor discrimination they may suffer in Israel, it is piffling compared with their persecution at the hands of the Muslims.
“And whatever minor discrimination they may suffer in Israel, it is piffling compared with their persecution at the hands of the Muslims”
Care to cite any examples? One thing I noticed with many christo-fascist debators is that they make these unfounded claims which tend to be mostly based on their pre-concieved notions, rather than facts.
Now since you are obviously so knowledgeable about the alleged maltreatment of Jews in Muslim countries, you’d presumably find it easy to cite a few examples to prove your contention. Can you?
you zionist toilet stain
OOooh, that’s put me in my place. Wish I had your witty repartee.
Before you denigrate Muslims, let me remind you of our illustrious history, something which trailer-trash like you would ever know about. We have a history of picking ourselves up from the destruction wrought upon our people by Christian-fascists, ie crusades, colonialism, US imperialism.
No zionist critic, it was the Mongol Hordes which did in Islamic civilization, not the West (which only escaped by sheer luck, when Ogadai Khan died before Western Europe could be conquered).
I will be very interested to know that who decides that which prophet is fake and which is 100% genuine
Blue Mountain said “I will be very interested to know that who decides that which prophet is fake and which is 100% genuine”
Which part of the shahÄdah don’t you understand?
“There is no god except Allah, and Muhammad (SAW) is the Messenger of God”
As Muhammad (SAW) is the last messenger and the seal of all prophets , anyone claiming to be a prophet after him is a fraud and an imposter.
Also, for a person who claims to be prophet to die humiliatingly on a toilet is probably a sign of what the Almighty thinks of him!
As-Salaamu ‘alaikum, Imran said:
Also, for a person who claims to be prophet to die humiliatingly on a toilet is probably a sign of what the Almighty thinks of him!
Imran, did he die on the toilet or in it? Aren’t most toilets in Pakistan the squat-down type?
You’re right, most toilets in the sub-continent are the squat-down type. So he did pop his clogs in the toilet amongst his own excrement- which makes his death even more degrading. And people still choose to follow this false prophet. Astagfirullah.
to die humiliatingly on a toilet is probably a sign of what the Almighty thinks of him!
So the Almighty wasn’t an Elvis fan, then?
Imran,
I new that that story was true but it was still too ridiculous and hard to believe. Allahu Akbar x 33!
Imran,
Can I correct you. According to the ulema (saudi) it is actually: There is no god worthy of worship but Allah. In Islam we recognize that there are other gods, that in theory can be worshipped besides and instead of ALlah (azawajal) but the only god worthy of man’s worship is Allah (azawajal).
Assalaamu alaikum,
Huh? Maybe I’m misunderstanding your wording, but Islam doesn’t recognize other gods. Of course, there are statues and ideas that some people take as gods, but they’re not really gods. I don’t think the Saudi scholars have changed the shahada, have they?
bikhair: La ilaha ill’ Allah means just that. It means there is no god besides Allah. People have claimed that others, including prophets, charlatans and fictional characters, are gods (or God Himself), but they are not really gods.
What really gets me is that followers of this sect still have the audacity to call themselves muslims even after fatwas declaring them outside the fold of Islam. This sect even has a satellite channel, Muslim Television-MTA (Sky Channel 807), which broadcasts their distorted belief 24/7 under the guise of an Islamic channel. Many unsuspecting muslims have been duped into watching this channel believing it to be a genuine Islamic station. All muslims should be made aware of this.
The sect is very active in Africa, where Qadiani/Ahmadi missionaries propogate their false religion to the poor and needy with inducements of medical care, schooling etc.
OP: “So the Almighty wasn’t an Elvis fan, then?”
There are people out there who practically worship celebrities and singers- adorning bedroom walls with their pictures etc. I’ve heard people call football players gods- even if they are just commenting on their talent/football skills— nevertheless they are giving them the status of a higher being. The cirumstances of the “King’s” death shows what happens to those people who think they more popular than Allah.
Has anyone noticed how Old Pickler, who claims to be “Christian”, Not Jewish, always seems to know so much Judeo-fascist propaganda and hardly anything at all about Christianity?
Mad cow pickler, it’s not your Islamophobia that makes one conclude you are Israeli…rather, it’s your knowledge/lack of it that betrays you.
No non-Zionist Jew living in the U.K today would be so familiar with the amount of Israeli jargon and propaganda that you so deliberately spread.
Like your mate SpencerD, the “ex-muslim” who does not even know the most basic of teachings of the Islamic faith.
Also, the fact you protest too much that just because you hate Islam does not mean you are a Zionist Jew proves that you are, otherwise why protest.
Whereas the rest of us have to earn a living and therefore can only post on these pages irregularly, you, ,Old Pickler can afford to troll many Muslim owned blogs full-time because you are funded by your masters with the hard working American tax payers money. About 10 billion dollars of which has found its way to Israel this year alone…some of that money comes back to the West to fund the likes of you to spread further Israeli propaganda…and then we get this old cow parasite bleating about Israeli wealth! What wealth? the West’s handouts….you are disgusting.
And of course, who can forget John Lennon’s comments about the Beatles being “more popular than Jesus”!
Whereas the rest of us have to earn a living and therefore can only post on these pages irregularly, you, ,Old Pickler can afford to troll many Muslim owned blogs full-time because you are funded by your masters with the hard working American tax payers money. About 10 billion dollars of which has found its way to Israel this year alone…some of that money comes back to the West to fund the likes of you to spread further Israeli propaganda…and then we get this old cow parasite bleating about Israeli wealth! What wealth? the West’s handouts….you are disgusting.
Got any hard evidence on this? I’ve always wondered why there were so damn f***ing many Islamophobic weblogs. If those blogs were in fact run by paid shills, it would explain a lot…
George Carty: “Got any hard evidence on this? I’ve always wondered why there were so damn f*ing many Islamophobic weblogs”
I also get the impression that someone or some agency is funding Islamophobic websites out there and paying people to make derogatory comments about Islam. What purpose this serves? God knows- because it’s futile.
Imran wrote: “I also get the impression that someone or some agency is funding Islamophobic websites out there and paying people to make derogatory comments about Islam.”
While I seriously doubt that most of the Islamophobic websites/blogs I’ve come across receive any systematic funding (most, but not all), I do strongly believe that there are very large numbers of hateful, ignorant, bigoted people out there for whom Islam is the hate du jour. These people don’t need funding because they are the “true” believers.
Got any hard evidence on this?
George, I have actually read a piece on this topic in one of the U.K newspapers, unfortunately can’t remember which one off the top of my head but can search for it.
What purpose this serves? God knows- because it’s futile.
Imran, Not only is it a futile effort, some of the time I think it has the opposite impact to what the Islamophobes want: they are looking to alienate Islam and Muslims by convincing the West that Islam is an alien religion that has no place in their society but actually more and more people in the West are converting to Islam through first coming across this sinister propaganda. Fear and curiosity drives them to find out for themselves what Islam really is all about and so they end up reading the Qur’an.
Anyone else notice how Daniel Pipes, the biggest bigot Islamophobe Zionist on earth has now got his sights on Hispanic converts in America? He is trying to play down the numbers that are converting…claiming that actually, it is mostly Black Americans that are converting, he then goes on to urge fellow Zionists to start lobbying hard Hispanic senators. He of course recognises Hispanics could be the future power brokers in U.S politics by their sheer number and for them to convert to Islam in large numbers would be bad news for Islamophobes like him.
you, ,Old Pickler can afford to troll many Muslim owned blogs full-time because you are funded by your masters with the hard working American tax payers money.
I wish. You really are such a putz. And you can’t punctuate.
Oy vey, back to ruling the world.
Got any hard evidence on this? I’ve always wondered why there were so damn f*ing many Islamophobic weblogs. If those blogs were in fact run by paid shills, it would explain a lot…
And there’s me thinking you were relatively intelligent.
Imran, Not only is it a futile effort, some of the time I think it has the opposite impact to what the Islamophobes want: they are looking to alienate Islam and Muslims by convincing the West that Islam is an alien religion that has no place in their society but actually more and more people in the West are converting to Islam through first coming across this sinister propaganda. Fear and curiosity drives them to find out for themselves what Islam really is all about and so they end up reading the Qur’an.
If I was an anti-Muslim bigot I’d make propaganda films similar to this one (only about Muslims instead of Japanese). I’d be interested in what other readers here think of this example of 1940s-style “culture of fear”…
Old Pickler: And there’s me thinking you were relatively intelligent.
If I was some stoopid conspiracy-minded wacko of the type which Amir Butler lamented in one of his columns, I wouldn’t have asked for “hard evidence”, would I?
Imran, Not only is it a futile effort, some of the time I think it has the opposite impact to what the Islamophobes want: they are looking to alienate Islam and Muslims by convincing the West that Islam is an alien religion that has no place in their society but actually more and more people in the West are converting to Islam through first coming across this sinister propaganda. Fear and curiosity drives them to find out for themselves what Islam really is all about and so they end up reading the Qur’an.
Case in point - Shariffa Carlo al-Andalusia.