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That "salat" that they made was invalid and must be repeated. But whatever this is what you get from the bidah merchants and thier kafir backers.

Assalamu alaikum, I'd like to politely ask that you please stop using the word "kafir" Kafir and non-Muslim are not the same thing, the terms are not synonymous. So I ask that you please stop throwing that word around. I find many of your comments to be harsh and bereft of any kind of kindness. If I were not a Muslim, and I were to come across some of these sorts of comments, I'd definitely be turned away from Islam. It's people who enjoy throwing the words "bida" "Kufr" and "shirk" around, that do much to help to malign the image of Islam in the West. It's not just the "progressive Muslims" who do it and the so-called "evil Western media". It's people who seek to label non-Muslims as "kafir" and thus think it's OK to kill them, and who also sometimes label even Muslims as "kafir" as well.

Islam as a way of life is beautiful, please do not make it seem ugly to non-Muslims by being so harsh and judgmental.

Jazakallah Khair Yusuf, great article.

Oh Ginny,

Get over yourself you crazed hippy. How can you say what would turn you away from Islam when it is Allah (azawajal) who guides you to the truth or maintains your path toward destruction?

"It's people who enjoy throwing the words "bida" "Kufr" and "shirk" around, that do much to help to malign the image of Islam in the West."

I dont enjoy throwing that word around but when you pronouce and act upon kufr how can you not be labelled a kafir? I hate kufr, bidah and shirk and I dont take any joy in referring to those Muslims as dispensers of such evil because I hates them, and they bring Muslims and kafirs down with thier deviance. They misguide Muslims and they give the impression to the kafir, that one thing is halal when in fact it is haram and vice versa.

bikhair, that's rude and offensive - what does 'crazed hippy' mean? do you not feel some need to be polite with other muslims?

as for using 'kafir' i don't think that it's wrong if you specify (say, the RAND corporation as backing 'progressive muslims', which it does); nonetheless, there is a valid point about not using 'kafir' so loosely - if you don't admire Shaykh abdul-Qadir al-Jilani, who said to beware using it for those who are currently disbelievers, as perhaps they will die as believers and you might die as a disbeliever; you might think of other scholars who were critical.

Nothing wrong with being a Kafir anyway. I used to be one before I became a Pickler.

Salaam,

Bikhair, you should understand that there are a lot of traditionals visiting Yusuf's blog who thinks that you are the one committing bid'a. So please understand the adab maintained by visitors towards you. I am more than pissed at your response to Ginny! How dare you use that kind of language towards her when she was polite to you? Is this the reflection of your minhaj on you? Is this what Islam has taught you? You are not the only person who understands religion!

Asslamu alakum Perhaps bikhair meant crazed hippy as a joke. However bikhair, if you don't have anything useful to say here, please don't say anything at all.

Assalamu alaikum, your rudeness and "hatred" toward me has just proven my point! First off, you don't even give salams, second of all, you engage in name-calling.

Is there not a way that one can hate the acts of disbelieve, yet still have love in one's heart for the disbeliever as a person? As one has already noted, only Allah knows best, all of these people, both Muslim and non-Muslim who you display such vile hatred for may yet one day become Muslim, or, if already Muslim, may indeed yet become better Muslims than you.

Yet, you seem to have already decided that you are the judg enad jury as to what will happen to these people that you so loudly proclaim your "hatred" for. I do not agree wit hte progressive agenda, there are many thigns that non-Muslims do that I don't agree with. I may "hate" the actions of certain people, but I do not "hate" the people themselves, becuase one never knows, these people may becuase Muslim, and end up being a better Muslim than me! Only Allah knows for sure.

Your rudeness and lack of adab speaks volumes. I find it funny for someone who so loudly proclaims their hatred for the "kafir", that you display worse manners than they do! How sad, since Muslims should ideally be the exemplars of adab / manners.

Salaam 'Alaikum

I don't think Ginny's a crazed hippy (or a hippy of any type). I just think she's a very lovely Muslim sister who tries to deal with everyone w/ gentility and adab.

Assalamu alaikum, thanks Umm Zaid, I might be many things, but crazed hippy? Don't think so lol.

If only someone would call me a 'crazed hippy'; it's kinda cool as far as name-calling is concerned.

But, in this context, it was rather rude and uncalled for. So Bikhair work on your manners just a little and avoid throwing terms around so casually.

Ginny made a perfectly valid point which I agree with. It's like just sooo agressive to shout kafir kafir kafir. As Muslims we hate actions which are in disobedience to Allah Most High, whether committed by Muslims or non-Muslims, not actual people.

If I was still a non-Muslim and Muslims started saying you kafirs are like this and you kafirs are like that, then I think I'd keep well away from the person saying it. Whereas if the Muslim took the 'crazed hippy' approach and was actually nice and respectful and tolerant to me as a person even if they disagreed with my actions then I might just want to hang out with them.

In reaction to the murderous and evil manhaj of the takfiris and neo-khawarij, Muslims are now required to love and tolerant the very things that Allah (azawajal) and his Messengers' (may Allah be pleased with them) hated and fought against? Didnt you guys know that now matter how much you love the "non-Muslims" they will never love you, and it has nothing to do with Jihad, hijab, polygamy, etc. It has everything to do with the fact that you are Muslims. THey have always hated and faught against you. Even before Prophet Muhammed (sallalahu alaihi wa salam) began his Jihad against the Mushrikoons, even when it was just him, his wife, a few friends and some slaves, spreading the new or rather lost message of tawheed, Muslims were hated.

But now, because Muslims are in a weak position we have to compromise our deen, start loving what Allah hates, start hating what Allah loves? For what? So the kafiroon will be our friend? On Yumal Qiyamah, I wonder what kinds of friends you will want then.

I know I have bad manners, but I also know that my bad manners isnt apart of the deen of Islam. I can seperate my sin, and short comings from the straight way, unfortunately, you people cannot.

"It's like just sooo agressive to shout kafir kafir kafir."

I would never, but this is a weblog which caters to Muslims.

"Whereas if the Muslim took the 'crazed hippy' approach and was actually nice and respectful and tolerant to me as a person..."

There is a time and a place for everything and the Quran allows us to be harsh when it comes to the deen, because we must be firm upon it. I dont go around calling people kafir. As I mentioned before this is a blog catering to Muslims.

Salaam,

Bikhair: That wasn't the point! You abused Ginny, and you haven't apologized to her! Whether you want to use the word 'kafir' or not, you are supposed to be civil (does the word 'adab exist in your minhaj?) to other muslims and non-muslims. You abuse a fellow muslim, and then cover it up with your self-righteous post? If this blog does cater to muslims (which is for Yusuf to decide) then where is your adab? (or humility? Isn't it strange that your forget the word 'hizbi' when it applies to yourself?). Please apologize to Ginny for your rudeness! You can carry on your self-righeous rant after that!

Assalamu alaikum, wheter you can "separate the sin fromt he striaght way" or not, your bad manners and lack of adab reflections badly on you, not only as a Muslim but as a person in general. And though this blog caters to Muslims, as you say, many non-Muslims read this blog. What kind of dawa do you think you are doing by being so harsh and rude and disrespectful? I don't think that "being firm upon it" means having bad manners.

And as far as myself goes, though the non-Muslims may not be satisfied until we as Muslims "follow their way / religion", and while they may not love us as Muslims, that doesn't mean that we, in turn, have any excuse to display bad manners and lack of respect toward them. And I don't think anyone is saying that we should "love the non-Muslims" or anything like that. What I'm saying is that I don't think anyone is advocating loving what Allah hates and hating what Allah loves, just to please the "kafirun" as you so like to call them.

There is a differnece between haivng good adab, and having respect for someone as a fellow human being and "loving what Allah hates". You seem tohave trouble separating the actions from the person committing said actuiongs. And to me, there is a difference. You can hate a certain action, you can dislike a person for comitting said action, but I think it is wrong to just hate people, all around, especially when they may not have any idea that what they are doing is wrong.

There are many people who have not gotten an accurate message of Islam and what Islam really is. Do you want a non-Muslim's first impression of Islam to be "you dirty kafir, you deserve to be hated because of your disbelief"?

If one's goal is to call people to the way of Allah, the best way to do it is with "beautiful preaching and wisdom", not with harshness and judgmentalism. But as I've said, you can't even display good adab toward Muslims on a site "catering to Muslims", so how can anyone expect you to treat the "kafir"?

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was able to win people to Islam, not because of any harshness or lack of adab on his part, but precisely because of his love and patience and tolerance, and he only fought when he had to. And yes, he hated what Allah hated, and loved what Allah loved.

But anyway, I'm just talking in circles now. If it makes you feel better to look down on us Muslims and non-Muslims who don't share the same view as you do as "hypocrites and disbelievers", then go ahead. Allah will be the best to judge between us on Yaum-al-qiyama.

"On Yumal Qiyamah, I wonder what kinds of friends you will want then."

Friends like Ginny, Yusuf and the gang.

The point is Bikhair, that the position of sunni Islam as expounded by our ulama is that we hate actions not people. There's a real danger in looking down on people because:

1.] You might end up with the sin of arrogance and self-righteousness.

2.] Allah Most High might punish you by manifesting that same sin in you. How many a skinny person looked down on fat people and then got fat later in life.

3.] You don't know how things will turn out: they might die as awilya, you might die in a dreadful state of sin and unbelief.

Once you start looking down on people then you run the dreadful risk of seeing yourself as the only saved person because we all sin, whether Muslim or not.

This is not to excuse the acts of disbelief nor to water down sin. To reiterate we hate with a passion all such acts because they are hated to Allah Most High...just leave the person out of it.

I find many of your comments to be harsh and bereft of any kind of kindness.

Ginny,

You are right. I am shocked and upset every time Bikhair and her fellow Wahhabis post some comments on these pages casually labelling someone a Kafir. And I'm not talking about Wudud and her sort but mainstream Muslims like the Turks. Apparently, the greatest compliment Bikhair can give someone is to say they are not Shia!!...As a sunni of shafi'i madhab myself, it goes without saying I'd have huge disagreements with Shia Muslims but I'd never call them Kafir.

Turks have played a big part in my spiritual growth over the years and my favourite translation of the Qur'an (The Majestic Qur'an) is by a committee of Turks and edited by an Englishman, Abd Hakim Murad, who is also dismissed by Bikhair as not a real sheikh.

Salaam 'Alaikum

Ahmed Weir is a crazed hippie.

Also, the Messenger of Allah (sallalahu aleyhi wa salaam) said, in a hadith that has been rated sahih, "Verily, Allah loves kindness in everything." That's everything. "Kullihi."

I apologize for calling you a crazy hippie. You must understand that I didnt mean what I said exactly. What is a crazy hippie? I was speaking in hyperbole. Whatever my defence maybe I am sorry for what I said and on the heels of Eid, I should have censored my tongue and spoken only goodness to a fellow Muslim.

spoken only goodness to a fellow Muslim

spoken only in goodness to a fellow human being surely?

Assalamu alaykum Bikhair, you are now as infamous on this blog as Old Pickler, lol.

Salaam

In turn, I take back my harsh words! That's the spirit Bikhair!

Wassalaam

Eid mubarak everyone! Belated. Crazed Hippie? Oh yes, one of my familiar names, like ahmed's.

hmm...

Isn't bikhair someone who submits to the Truth anywhere she finds it - without shame or modesty. Mashallah!

We all utter horrible words; speaking for myself, I can't believe how much disgusting words I have vomitted on this blog, especially when irritated by "The Prickler", sister-to-be, inshallah. I try to apologise sometimes, but she always has a way of getting to the bottom of your stomach.

That however allowed me to imagine how honorable and kind the Prophet (salallahu 'alehi wasalam) must have been....given his compassion towards the jahili desert Arabs.

But one thing I admire about bikhair's attitude is her "obsession" with the sunnah, we all need this - cos there's nothing fanciful about the "modern" world and its monkey antics. For every sunnah that is unloved the birds in the sky, the ants in the hill, the fish in the deep ocean, etc all feel the pain. But this obsession should be permissive ...of the good bidahs - such as modernity and its monkey antics, or even religious opinions on the fringes (as long as they don't fall outside of the tradition), etc because that is the way of mercy.

Just as Allah Himself has been permissive and Merciful to us in sending a completely "human" (Bashar) Prophet (peace be upon him) to invite us to a Divine Party. Food for thought.

Astagfirulah.

Sunny,

"spoken only in goodness to a fellow human being surely?"

Actually, I am more harsh with Muslims than I am with kafir. Their ignorance is forgivable. Some of these Muslims are just topsy turvy. I hope they leave here knowing that I am a jerk sometimes but I love them for the sake of Allah (azawajal) and I love this deen, and I want for them success in the dunyah (this world) and the akhirah (the next world)

Muslims, I love yall!

H,

"Assalamu alaykum Bikhair, you are now as infamous on this blog as Old Pickler, lol."

wa alaikum salaam wa rahmatullah. That hurts!

Assalam Aleikum Wa Rahmatulahi Wa Barakatuh.This is just food for thought. ''O you who believe! Whoever from among you turns back from his religion (Islam), Allah will bring a people whom He will love and they will love Him; humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers, fighting in the Way of Allah, and never afraid of the blame of the blamers. That is the Grace of Allah, which He bestows on whom He wills. And Allah is All Sufficient for His creatures' needs, All Knower.''[ Al-Maa'idah:54]

Wa alaikum salaam wa rahmatullah IbnYahyaa, thanks for the dkhir. Scart thought huh?

salam, and what is wrong with Shia's? everyone keeps wrong hatred towards them.