Euro court rejects Turkish headscarf appeal

This just in from the BBC:

Turkey can ban Islamic headscarves in universities, the European Court of Human Rights has ruled. The court rejected an appeal by a Turkish woman who argued that the state ban violated her right to an education and discriminated against her. … But the judges ruled that the ban was justified to maintain order and avoid giving preference to any religion.

Which means that there is unlikely to be anything for Muslims in Turkish accession to the European Union; the Muslims in Turkey must raise their voices against the inherently tyrannical, satanic secular Turkish republic and its reprobate founder Kemal “Atatürk”.

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  • H

    Thanks Bro Yusuf, it’s what I have always known, that the European Union will offer Turkey nothing. Ironically, Ataturk did not actually ban the hijab (although I believe he did ban the face-veil, or atleast tried to discourage it), but now todays secularist just want to go further and further.

  • UmmZaid

    But the judges ruled that the ban was justified to maintain order and avoid giving preference to any religion.

  • thabet

    assalamu alaykum

    Whatever his wrongs, I don’t think there is any need for the invidious quotation marks around Ataturk. I’ve never met a Turk, religious or secular, who doesn’t have some good words for him — don’t forget that he also successfully fought an invasion of Turkey.

  • http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2005/11/10/euro_court_rejects_turkish_hea#comments Thersites

    “tyrannical, satanic secular Turkish republic”. Come on. Keep a sense of perspective. If muslim institutions can demand that people conform to their customs in clothing, secular universitiues can do the same. Personally, I think people are entitled to dress as they please unless it is grossly offensive to others, but Turkey doesn’t practise- officially or unofficially- any of the more repellent ways of enforcing conformity- acid in the face, for example- that it might.

  • Mazhar

    Asalaam Ulaykum,

    Thabet, my experience is the opposite. I’ve never met a Turk, religious or secular, who doesn’t have anything but utter contempt for Utter Jerk.

  • Ann

    Assalaamu alaikum,

    They can’t really raise their voices against him because it’s a crime to criticize him, isn’t it?

  • Ann

    Assalaamu alaikum,

    I think that having riot police physically force women off of the campus is pretty repellent. I think that the fact that the Prime Minister’s wife can’t attend official functions is pretty absurd.

    It’s not just a matter of style - as if we just feel like wearing a particular article of clothing. We’re covering a part of the body that we believe needs to be covered.

    I never thought of international human rights proposals as anything to follow anyway, but this just confirms that their “human rights” aren’t for us.

  • DrM

    Well Ataturk wasnt a Muslim to begin with but the member of the secretive jewish donmeh tribe. Secular universities have no business intefering with an individuals personal faith, a hijab does not convert anyone to Islam, anymore than eating kosher meat makes one a jew. These Europeans charlatans are rotten to the core….

  • ajsuhail

    How can any Muslim in his right mind support Ataturk?

  • DrM

    Great point AJ, unfortunetly many people dont know who Ataturk really was. All they remember is that he was the “father of modern Turkey.” Did you know that he died from a combination of syphilis and Liver disease(he was juice hound)?

  • H

    Actually Ataturk was a muslim to begin with, both his parents were muslim and he was even sent to school to learn the Qur’an. The talk of him being jewish is just an unproven allegation, which is inappropriate because his parents should not be blamed for his later actions, anymore than the parents of suicide killers should be blamed for their children’s actions.

    Secondly AJ is sort of correct in what he says, but you also have to remember that Ataturk successfully fought off a greek invasion when the Caliph of that time signed away the empire. So I guess some people are in two minds about him. On one hand he freed the country from the invading kuffar forces, on the other hand he opened the door to other evils. But atleast the muslims in Turkey are generally well off than if they were under greek occupation, atleast now they have a stepping stone to reformation, which would have been practically impossible under greek rule. Wa salam.

  • Old Pickelstein

    Oy vey! Ataturk was a mensh. Maseltov.

  • bikhair

    Dr. M

    “Did you know that he died from a combination of syphilis and Liver disease(he was juice hound)?”

    Youre mouth is bigger than mine.

    Ataturk’s state of emaan is with Allah (azawajal) and didnt you know Dr. M that if you keep the secrets of the Muslims Allah will keep your secrets on yumal Qiyama?

  • spencerd

    “The Muslims in Turkey must raise their voices against the inherently tyrannical, satanic secular Turkish republic and its reprobate founder Kemal “Atatürk”.”

    Yusef that’s just barmy. And why get so exercised over the sight of female hair? For goodness sake Yusef, you’re an Englishman, you’re not from the bloody North West frontier, you know better. I’m certain that years from now you are going to look back at your silliness and wince with embarrassment.

    Ann,

    “It’s not just a matter of style - as if we just feel like wearing a particular article of clothing. We’re covering a part of the body that we believe needs to be covered.” Certain Muslim men don’t respect the dress code of Nestorian Christian girls in Mosul or Basra, and in some cases threaten them if they don’t wear the veil. So frankly I’ll reserve my tears and sympathy for more deserving people than Muslim girls (interestingly usually the less comely) who whinge when they are forced to go bareheaded.

    H,

    You’re spot on in claiming that Ataturk was instrumental in throwing back what you refer to the “kuffar forces” But remember the Greeks were fighting for land what had been historically there’s for over two millenia. And frankly I would be a lot happier if Constantinople was still a Greek Christian city and mass was still said in The Church of the Holy Wisdom, commonly known as Hagia Sophia. But bygones are bygones, the one thing that those unhappy times can teach us (western kuffars anyway) is that population exchange might just be the solution for our restive “Muslim problem” After what happened over the last fortnight in France, I’m not the only one flirting with these thoughts. Keep your powder dry gentlemen we are all in for some interesting times.

  • DrM

    Bikhair, theres nothing secret about Ataturk’s cause of death. I think you need to take your own advice from that other thread, and lay off. Ataturk was a fascist, theres no nice to put it.

  • http://www.toomuchcookies.net Omar Abo-Namous

    The really interesting point is that now, wearing a head-scarve has become an insult and a violation of human rights of those around you.

    When the Taliban regime decreed, that every woman has to cover from head to toe everybody had some problems with this imposed dress code. But yet nobody seems to have a problem with a state decreeing a dress code that forbids head scarves (i wonder if the same would happen, if some state suggested fobidding jeans or even covering your legs..).

    As an ex-judge at the highest court in Germany (Verfassungsgericht) said: “If the head scarve was per se a political object, then the prohibition thereof is a far more radical political statement!”

    Salam.

    Omar Abo-Namous

  • George Carty

    Getting off topic, but what do you think of those who support Ataturk for romanizing Turkish and making Turkey a literate society? (Wasn’t the Ottoman Empire something like 80% illiterate).

    Would you concede this as a good doing of Ataturk, would you argue that a surviving Ottoman Empire would have still romanized, or would you argue that the supposed impracticality of Arabic-script Turkish is an orientalist myth?