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	<title>Comments on: Euro court rejects Turkish headscarf appeal</title>
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		<title>By: George Carty</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2005/11/10/euro_court_rejects_turkish_headscarf_appeal#comment-7197</link>
		<dc:creator>George Carty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting off topic, but what do you think of those who support Ataturk for romanizing Turkish and making Turkey a literate society?  (Wasn&#039;t the Ottoman Empire something like 80% illiterate).

Would you concede this as a good doing of Ataturk, would you argue that a surviving Ottoman Empire would have still romanized, or would you argue that the supposed impracticality of Arabic-script Turkish is an orientalist myth?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting off topic, but what do you think of those who support Ataturk for romanizing Turkish and making Turkey a literate society?  (Wasn&#8217;t the Ottoman Empire something like 80% illiterate).</p>

<p>Would you concede this as a good doing of Ataturk, would you argue that a surviving Ottoman Empire would have still romanized, or would you argue that the supposed impracticality of Arabic-script Turkish is an orientalist myth?</p>
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		<title>By: Omar Abo-Namous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omar Abo-Namous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The really interesting point is that now, &lt;b&gt;wearing&lt;/b&gt; a head-scarve has become an insult and a violation of human rights of those around you.

When the Taliban regime decreed, that every woman has to cover from head to toe everybody had some problems with this imposed dress code. But yet nobody seems to have a problem with a state decreeing a dress code that forbids head scarves (i wonder if the same would happen, if some state suggested fobidding jeans or even covering your legs..).

As an ex-judge at the highest court in Germany (Verfassungsgericht) said: &quot;If the head scarve was per se a political object, then the prohibition thereof is a far more radical political statement!&quot;

Salam.

Omar Abo-Namous
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really interesting point is that now, <b>wearing</b> a head-scarve has become an insult and a violation of human rights of those around you.</p>

<p>When the Taliban regime decreed, that every woman has to cover from head to toe everybody had some problems with this imposed dress code. But yet nobody seems to have a problem with a state decreeing a dress code that forbids head scarves (i wonder if the same would happen, if some state suggested fobidding jeans or even covering your legs..).</p>

<p>As an ex-judge at the highest court in Germany (Verfassungsgericht) said: &#8220;If the head scarve was per se a political object, then the prohibition thereof is a far more radical political statement!&#8221;</p>

<p>Salam.</p>

<p>Omar Abo-Namous</p>
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		<title>By: DrM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 03:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bikhair, theres nothing secret about Ataturk&#039;s cause of death. I think you need to take your own advice from that other thread, and lay off. Ataturk was a fascist, theres no nice to put it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikhair, theres nothing secret about Ataturk&#8217;s cause of death. I think you need to take your own advice from that other thread, and lay off. Ataturk was a fascist, theres no nice to put it.</p>
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		<title>By: spencerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>spencerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 02:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Muslims in Turkey must raise their voices against the inherently tyrannical, satanic secular Turkish republic and its reprobate founder Kemal &quot;AtatÃ¼rk&quot;.&quot;

Yusef that&#039;s just barmy.  And why get so exercised over the sight of female hair?  For goodness sake Yusef, youâre an Englishman, youâre not from the bloody North West frontier, you know better.  I&#039;m certain that years from now you are going to look back at your silliness and wince with embarrassment.

Ann,

&quot;It&#039;s not just a matter of style - as if we just feel like wearing a particular article of clothing.  We&#039;re covering a part of the body that we believe needs to be covered.&quot;
Certain Muslim men don&#039;t respect the dress code of Nestorian Christian girls in Mosul or Basra, and in some cases threaten them if they don&#039;t wear the veil.  So frankly I&#039;ll reserve my tears and sympathy for more deserving people than Muslim girls (interestingly usually the less comely) who whinge when they are forced to go bareheaded.

H,

You&#039;re spot on in claiming that Ataturk was instrumental in throwing back what you refer to the &quot;kuffar forces&quot; But remember the Greeks were fighting for land what had been historically thereâs for over two millenia.  And frankly I would be a lot happier if Constantinople was still a Greek Christian city and mass was still said in The Church of the Holy Wisdom, commonly known as Hagia Sophia.  But bygones are bygones, the one thing that those unhappy times can teach us (western kuffars anyway) is that population exchange might just be the solution for our restive &quot;Muslim problem&quot; After what happened over the last fortnight in France, I&#039;m not the only one flirting with these thoughts.  Keep your powder dry gentlemen we are all in for some interesting times.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Muslims in Turkey must raise their voices against the inherently tyrannical, satanic secular Turkish republic and its reprobate founder Kemal &#8220;AtatÃ¼rk&#8221;.&#8221;</p>

<p>Yusef that&#8217;s just barmy.  And why get so exercised over the sight of female hair?  For goodness sake Yusef, youâre an Englishman, youâre not from the bloody North West frontier, you know better.  I&#8217;m certain that years from now you are going to look back at your silliness and wince with embarrassment.</p>

<p>Ann,</p>

<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s not just a matter of style - as if we just feel like wearing a particular article of clothing.  We&#8217;re covering a part of the body that we believe needs to be covered.&#8221;
Certain Muslim men don&#8217;t respect the dress code of Nestorian Christian girls in Mosul or Basra, and in some cases threaten them if they don&#8217;t wear the veil.  So frankly I&#8217;ll reserve my tears and sympathy for more deserving people than Muslim girls (interestingly usually the less comely) who whinge when they are forced to go bareheaded.</p>

<p>H,</p>

<p>You&#8217;re spot on in claiming that Ataturk was instrumental in throwing back what you refer to the &#8220;kuffar forces&#8221; But remember the Greeks were fighting for land what had been historically thereâs for over two millenia.  And frankly I would be a lot happier if Constantinople was still a Greek Christian city and mass was still said in The Church of the Holy Wisdom, commonly known as Hagia Sophia.  But bygones are bygones, the one thing that those unhappy times can teach us (western kuffars anyway) is that population exchange might just be the solution for our restive &#8220;Muslim problem&#8221; After what happened over the last fortnight in France, I&#8217;m not the only one flirting with these thoughts.  Keep your powder dry gentlemen we are all in for some interesting times.</p>
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		<title>By: bikhair</title>
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		<dc:creator>bikhair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 23:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. M

&quot;Did you know that he died from a combination of syphilis and Liver disease(he was juice hound)?&quot;

Youre mouth is bigger than mine.

Ataturk&#039;s state of emaan is with Allah (azawajal) and didnt you know Dr. M that if you keep the secrets of the Muslims Allah will keep your secrets on yumal Qiyama?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. M</p>

<p>&#8220;Did you know that he died from a combination of syphilis and Liver disease(he was juice hound)?&#8221;</p>

<p>Youre mouth is bigger than mine.</p>

<p>Ataturk&#8217;s state of emaan is with Allah (azawajal) and didnt you know Dr. M that if you keep the secrets of the Muslims Allah will keep your secrets on yumal Qiyama?</p>
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		<title>By: Old Pickelstein</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2005/11/10/euro_court_rejects_turkish_headscarf_appeal#comment-7192</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Pickelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy vey! Ataturk was a mensh. Maseltov.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy vey! Ataturk was a mensh. Maseltov.</p>
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		<title>By: H</title>
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		<dc:creator>H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Ataturk was a muslim to begin with, both his parents were muslim and he was even sent to school to learn the Qur&#039;an. The talk of him being jewish is just an unproven allegation, which is inappropriate because his parents should not be blamed for his later actions, anymore than the parents of suicide killers should be blamed for their children&#039;s actions.

Secondly AJ is sort of correct in what he says, but you also have to remember that Ataturk successfully fought off a greek invasion when the Caliph of that time signed away the empire. So I guess some people are in two minds about him. On one hand he freed the country from the invading kuffar forces, on the other hand he opened the door to other evils. But atleast the muslims in Turkey are generally well off than if they were under greek occupation, atleast now they have a stepping stone to reformation, which would have been practically impossible under greek rule. Wa salam.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Ataturk was a muslim to begin with, both his parents were muslim and he was even sent to school to learn the Qur&#8217;an. The talk of him being jewish is just an unproven allegation, which is inappropriate because his parents should not be blamed for his later actions, anymore than the parents of suicide killers should be blamed for their children&#8217;s actions.</p>

<p>Secondly AJ is sort of correct in what he says, but you also have to remember that Ataturk successfully fought off a greek invasion when the Caliph of that time signed away the empire. So I guess some people are in two minds about him. On one hand he freed the country from the invading kuffar forces, on the other hand he opened the door to other evils. But atleast the muslims in Turkey are generally well off than if they were under greek occupation, atleast now they have a stepping stone to reformation, which would have been practically impossible under greek rule. Wa salam.</p>
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		<title>By: DrM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point AJ, unfortunetly many people dont know who Ataturk really was. All they remember is that he was the &quot;father of modern Turkey.&quot; Did you know that he died from a combination of syphilis and Liver disease(he was juice hound)?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point AJ, unfortunetly many people dont know who Ataturk really was. All they remember is that he was the &#8220;father of modern Turkey.&#8221; Did you know that he died from a combination of syphilis and Liver disease(he was juice hound)?</p>
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		<title>By: ajsuhail</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajsuhail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 05:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can any Muslim in his right mind support Ataturk?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can any Muslim in his right mind support Ataturk?</p>
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		<title>By: DrM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Ataturk wasnt a Muslim to begin with but the member of the secretive jewish donmeh tribe. Secular universities have no business intefering with an individuals personal faith, a hijab does not convert anyone to Islam, anymore than eating kosher meat makes one a jew. These Europeans charlatans are rotten to the core....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Ataturk wasnt a Muslim to begin with but the member of the secretive jewish donmeh tribe. Secular universities have no business intefering with an individuals personal faith, a hijab does not convert anyone to Islam, anymore than eating kosher meat makes one a jew. These Europeans charlatans are rotten to the core&#8230;.</p>
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