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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK everyone i think what is evidently clear is that no-one hates each other.

But we disagree on the way to organise society.

SO yes there is a battle of ideas.  Islam vs Capitalism vs Communism

This does not mean that we treat each other differently, or with harshness.

SO yes there is a &quot;battle of ideas&quot;

and I believe that Islam is Superior than western civilisation. Because the foundations of Islam are built upon rational thought and the system with emenates from this can solve the problems of HUmanity.

I belive western civilisation is not built on thinking and people just follow it blindly without providing proof of its correctness.  And its system creates decadence and backwardness in society.

Thank you. Hope you all remain healthy.  Time will tell which ideology is stronger.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK everyone i think what is evidently clear is that no-one hates each other.</p>

<p>But we disagree on the way to organise society.</p>

<p>SO yes there is a battle of ideas.  Islam vs Capitalism vs Communism</p>

<p>This does not mean that we treat each other differently, or with harshness.</p>

<p>SO yes there is a &#8220;battle of ideas&#8221;</p>

<p>and I believe that Islam is Superior than western civilisation. Because the foundations of Islam are built upon rational thought and the system with emenates from this can solve the problems of HUmanity.</p>

<p>I belive western civilisation is not built on thinking and people just follow it blindly without providing proof of its correctness.  And its system creates decadence and backwardness in society.</p>

<p>Thank you. Hope you all remain healthy.  Time will tell which ideology is stronger.</p>
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		<title>By: Amir Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amir Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The French Riots and the Blame Game&lt;/strong&gt;

In examining the recent riots across France, it is tempting to level blame on the supposedly irreconcilable differences between the secular West and Islam.  The rioters, after all, were largely the children of Muslim migrants from North and West Afric...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The French Riots and the Blame Game</strong></p>

<p>In examining the recent riots across France, it is tempting to level blame on the supposedly irreconcilable differences between the secular West and Islam.  The rioters, after all, were largely the children of Muslim migrants from North and West Afric&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kuwait?  So your idea of an Islamic country with religious freedom is a state where Islamic law is the main source of legislation, where Islamic religious education is compulsory for all students, where Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists are not allowed to build places of worship for themselves, where anti-Semitic material appears in official government education material and where non-Muslims are not allowed to become citizens.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kuwait?  So your idea of an Islamic country with religious freedom is a state where Islamic law is the main source of legislation, where Islamic religious education is compulsory for all students, where Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists are not allowed to build places of worship for themselves, where anti-Semitic material appears in official government education material and where non-Muslims are not allowed to become citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Ted, since you asked for one, I&#039;ll say Kuwait,  since it&#039;s the one I&#039;m most familiar with. There are many Christian churches here; they have diplomatic relations wth the Vatican; there are other temples which technically shouldn&#039;t be allowed (e.g., Hindu and Sikh), but the goverment turns a blind eye; there are some Kuwaiti families who have always been Christian - one of them is the pastor of one of the Anglican churches here - and they have the same rights as any other citizens.

When I came here, I wasn&#039;t Muslim, and all of the non-Muslims that I knew were perfectly happy with their fredom of worship.

In fact, their charities and sermons aren&#039;t being monitored like the Muslims&#039; are, so they might even be more free to practice their religions.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Ted, since you asked for one, I&#8217;ll say Kuwait,  since it&#8217;s the one I&#8217;m most familiar with. There are many Christian churches here; they have diplomatic relations wth the Vatican; there are other temples which technically shouldn&#8217;t be allowed (e.g., Hindu and Sikh), but the goverment turns a blind eye; there are some Kuwaiti families who have always been Christian - one of them is the pastor of one of the Anglican churches here - and they have the same rights as any other citizens.</p>

<p>When I came here, I wasn&#8217;t Muslim, and all of the non-Muslims that I knew were perfectly happy with their fredom of worship.</p>

<p>In fact, their charities and sermons aren&#8217;t being monitored like the Muslims&#8217; are, so they might even be more free to practice their religions.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spencerd,

I take back the insult, I know I always do that.

But you need to be more objective and less blinded by whatever subjective experience that is affecting your thought process.

I was raising serious factual issues that affect the society, you responded with an unrelated sarcasm implying that I am suggesting Islam is the answer to all the above social ills.

Ofcourse I do believe, Islam has a comprehensive response to these problems, however but that is off the point.  The point is that you are more concerned about muslims that you are concerned about your own moral values and principles.

I mean, how far is this anti-muslim-bashing and hysteria going to go.

I suggest you switch off your television and spend quality time with your family.  Perhaps, you will begin to see some of the good that exists out there in everyone.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spencerd,</p>

<p>I take back the insult, I know I always do that.</p>

<p>But you need to be more objective and less blinded by whatever subjective experience that is affecting your thought process.</p>

<p>I was raising serious factual issues that affect the society, you responded with an unrelated sarcasm implying that I am suggesting Islam is the answer to all the above social ills.</p>

<p>Ofcourse I do believe, Islam has a comprehensive response to these problems, however but that is off the point.  The point is that you are more concerned about muslims that you are concerned about your own moral values and principles.</p>

<p>I mean, how far is this anti-muslim-bashing and hysteria going to go.</p>

<p>I suggest you switch off your television and spend quality time with your family.  Perhaps, you will begin to see some of the good that exists out there in everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Spencerd,

I alerted you to the fact that there are serious social issues that we need to worry about as a human society, you responded by saying

&quot;Poor thing, rather you should be scared of catastrophes such as the rise in teenage pregnancies, homosexuality, pornography, divorce rates, ecological issues, nuclear arms....&quot;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;And we&#039;re all to believe somehow Islam is an answer to all the above social ills.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Now, think about that yourself, what kind of response you have given.  And you expect us to take your sanity seriously?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Spencerd,</p>

<p>I alerted you to the fact that there are serious social issues that we need to worry about as a human society, you responded by saying</p>

<p>&#8220;Poor thing, rather you should be scared of catastrophes such as the rise in teenage pregnancies, homosexuality, pornography, divorce rates, ecological issues, nuclear arms&#8230;.&#8221;</p>

<p><i>&#8220;And we&#8217;re all to believe somehow Islam is an answer to all the above social ills.&#8221;</i></p>

<p>Now, think about that yourself, what kind of response you have given.  And you expect us to take your sanity seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spencerd wrote,

*Ann*

*You keep on Salaming us; I thought you were a nonpracticing Catholic. Although it is none of my business, I hope you havenât made your Shahada.*

you really are VERY stupid, aren&#039;t you Spencerd?

Traveller thinks you are forgetting to take your medication but for you,  the only correct description is:

&lt;b&gt;ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS NO MATCH FOR NATURAL STUPIDITY&lt;b&gt;

She is Ann. I am Anna. Spot the difference genius.
&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spencerd wrote,</p>

<p><em>Ann</em></p>

<p><em>You keep on Salaming us; I thought you were a nonpracticing Catholic. Although it is none of my business, I hope you havenât made your Shahada.</em></p>

<p>you really are VERY stupid, aren&#8217;t you Spencerd?</p>

<p>Traveller thinks you are forgetting to take your medication but for you,  the only correct description is:</p>

<p><b>ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS NO MATCH FOR NATURAL STUPIDITY</b><b></b></p>

<p>She is Ann. I am Anna. Spot the difference genius.
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		<title>By: Shamilaskov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shamilaskov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Shamil

Most Afro-Caribbeanâs who are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime in Britain and in North America come from Jamaica, and in most cases a certain area of Kingston. I believe you guys across the pond call them yardies.&quot;

Yardies are a gang. Nobody refers to the whole afro-carribean community here as yardies. I was under the impression that most african americans are long settled in america and not recent immigrants from the carribean

&quot;However, most people from the Windward and Leeward islands have in most cases assimilated quite well into their host countries and have done quite well.&quot;

How is criminality a matter of non-assimilation? Most jews in Russia are well assimilated but they still make up a large part of the Russian mafia.



&quot;Well its the truth, in Toronto for instance blacks make up around 7% of the population, but over 70% of the murders last year were attributed to this small segment of the population. Economics has nothing to do with this; these people are not living in Dickensian poverty. I believe your adopting the logic that has driven Western social policy for so long: that any difference in economic and social outcome between groups is the result of social injustice and adverse discrimination. I donât even think the premises of multiculturalism even permits asking whether reasons internal to the groups themselves might account for differences in out-comes. Most of these thugs come from very unstable homes, are usually, literally speaking, bastards, who have no father figures to keep them in line.&quot;


So what you think African culture promotes anti-social behaviour? Or is it a matter of genetics.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Shamil</p>

<p>Most Afro-Caribbeanâs who are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime in Britain and in North America come from Jamaica, and in most cases a certain area of Kingston. I believe you guys across the pond call them yardies.&#8221;</p>

<p>Yardies are a gang. Nobody refers to the whole afro-carribean community here as yardies. I was under the impression that most african americans are long settled in america and not recent immigrants from the carribean</p>

<p>&#8220;However, most people from the Windward and Leeward islands have in most cases assimilated quite well into their host countries and have done quite well.&#8221;</p>

<p>How is criminality a matter of non-assimilation? Most jews in Russia are well assimilated but they still make up a large part of the Russian mafia.</p>

<p>&#8220;Well its the truth, in Toronto for instance blacks make up around 7% of the population, but over 70% of the murders last year were attributed to this small segment of the population. Economics has nothing to do with this; these people are not living in Dickensian poverty. I believe your adopting the logic that has driven Western social policy for so long: that any difference in economic and social outcome between groups is the result of social injustice and adverse discrimination. I donât even think the premises of multiculturalism even permits asking whether reasons internal to the groups themselves might account for differences in out-comes. Most of these thugs come from very unstable homes, are usually, literally speaking, bastards, who have no father figures to keep them in line.&#8221;</p>

<p>So what you think African culture promotes anti-social behaviour? Or is it a matter of genetics.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Pickler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Pickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why don&#039;t you like Islam?&lt;/i&gt;

Because Islam doesn&#039;t like me.

&lt;i&gt;So, what religion do you like? And what attracts you to it?&lt;/i&gt;

Christianity. It has a loving God.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why don&#8217;t you like Islam?</i></p>

<p>Because Islam doesn&#8217;t like me.</p>

<p><i>So, what religion do you like? And what attracts you to it?</i></p>

<p>Christianity. It has a loving God.</p>
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		<title>By: spencerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>spencerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann

You keep on Salaming us; I thought you were a nonpracticing Catholic.  Although it is none of my business, I hope you havenât made your Shahada.


Shamil

Most Afro-Caribbeanâs who are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime in Britain and in North America come from Jamaica, and in most cases a certain area of Kingston.  I believe you guys across the pond call them yardies.  However, most people from the Windward and Leeward islands have in most cases assimilated quite well into their host countries and have done quite well.  Moreover, West Indian immigration  to America is really an unknown  success story, so successful in fact that there is widespread acrimony from native-born Afro-Americans towards West Indians.

&quot;I find that statement almost impossible to consume.  Black people (regardless of religion) are accused of causing social problems all over the place much more so than Arab Muslims.  I can&#039;t believe you&#039;d make that statement.&quot;

Well its the truth, in Toronto for instance blacks make up around 7% of the population, but over 70% of the murders last year were attributed to this small segment of the population.  Economics has nothing to do with this; these people are not living in Dickensian poverty.  I believe your adopting the logic that has driven Western social policy for so long:  that any difference in economic and social outcome  between groups is the result of social injustice and adverse discrimination.  I donât even think the premises of multiculturalism even permits asking whether reasons internal to the groups themselves might account for differences in out-comes.  Most of these thugs come from very unstable homes, are usually, literally speaking, bastards, who have no father figures to keep them in line.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann</p>

<p>You keep on Salaming us; I thought you were a nonpracticing Catholic.  Although it is none of my business, I hope you havenât made your Shahada.</p>

<p>Shamil</p>

<p>Most Afro-Caribbeanâs who are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime in Britain and in North America come from Jamaica, and in most cases a certain area of Kingston.  I believe you guys across the pond call them yardies.  However, most people from the Windward and Leeward islands have in most cases assimilated quite well into their host countries and have done quite well.  Moreover, West Indian immigration  to America is really an unknown  success story, so successful in fact that there is widespread acrimony from native-born Afro-Americans towards West Indians.</p>

<p>&#8220;I find that statement almost impossible to consume.  Black people (regardless of religion) are accused of causing social problems all over the place much more so than Arab Muslims.  I can&#8217;t believe you&#8217;d make that statement.&#8221;</p>

<p>Well its the truth, in Toronto for instance blacks make up around 7% of the population, but over 70% of the murders last year were attributed to this small segment of the population.  Economics has nothing to do with this; these people are not living in Dickensian poverty.  I believe your adopting the logic that has driven Western social policy for so long:  that any difference in economic and social outcome  between groups is the result of social injustice and adverse discrimination.  I donât even think the premises of multiculturalism even permits asking whether reasons internal to the groups themselves might account for differences in out-comes.  Most of these thugs come from very unstable homes, are usually, literally speaking, bastards, who have no father figures to keep them in line.</p>
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