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		<title>By: Andy Whittaker</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2006/01/25/birmingham_christian_union_suspended#comment-22821</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Whittaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to that last comment - i.e. &quot;...if it is the way, it will carry on if it is the truth, it cannot be denied and if there is life through it - it will keep on springing forth no matter what&quot; - this really made me laugh to hear this remark as they have been saying this kind of thing for the last 2,000 years and it still keeps &#039;springing forth&#039; - 385 million christians in Africa alone (at the last count - BBC History of Christianity series  - programme 4)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to that last comment - i.e. &#8220;&#8230;if it is the way, it will carry on if it is the truth, it cannot be denied and if there is life through it - it will keep on springing forth no matter what&#8221; - this really made me laugh to hear this remark as they have been saying this kind of thing for the last 2,000 years and it still keeps &#8216;springing forth&#8217; - 385 million christians in Africa alone (at the last count - BBC History of Christianity series  - programme 4)</p>
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		<title>By: Madalena</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2006/01/25/birmingham_christian_union_suspended#comment-2417</link>
		<dc:creator>Madalena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi as a student at the university of Birmingham I just would like to say that I am sad about all this happening not only for the Christian union but also for other societies. In relation to christianity, I feel that in general people do not like them. Cause it states that Jesus Christ is the only way to God, also that if we die without him we will go to hell. I am sure that as many christians find christianity a way of life and a relationship with God, there is going to be the opportunity to keep on living what they believe wherever they are.
If it is the way, it will carry on- if it is the truth, it cannot be denied and if there is life through it- it will keep on springing forth no matter what. And u what do u believe in? Its easy to judge but were do u stand? (if u can)?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi as a student at the university of Birmingham I just would like to say that I am sad about all this happening not only for the Christian union but also for other societies. In relation to christianity, I feel that in general people do not like them. Cause it states that Jesus Christ is the only way to God, also that if we die without him we will go to hell. I am sure that as many christians find christianity a way of life and a relationship with God, there is going to be the opportunity to keep on living what they believe wherever they are.
If it is the way, it will carry on- if it is the truth, it cannot be denied and if there is life through it- it will keep on springing forth no matter what. And u what do u believe in? Its easy to judge but were do u stand? (if u can)?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Bird</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2006/01/25/birmingham_christian_union_suspended#comment-2416</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CHRISTOPHOBIA- a form of bigotry just as bad as Islamophobia, Sexism or Racism. Ploitical members of BUGs exc just don&#039;t like religion and think the Jesus lot will be a soft touch.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHRISTOPHOBIA- a form of bigotry just as bad as Islamophobia, Sexism or Racism. Ploitical members of BUGs exc just don&#8217;t like religion and think the Jesus lot will be a soft touch.</p>
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		<title>By: ummabdulla</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2006/01/25/birmingham_christian_union_suspended#comment-2415</link>
		<dc:creator>ummabdulla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalaamu alaikum,

I&#039;ve been busy and haven&#039;t come by in a while, but now I&#039;m catching up.

&quot;...because the use of the words &#039;men&#039; and &#039;women&#039; could be seen as &#039;excluding transsexual and transgendered people&#039;.&quot;

Please tell me that&#039;s a joke!?!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalaamu alaikum,</p>

<p>I&#8217;ve been busy and haven&#8217;t come by in a while, but now I&#8217;m catching up.</p>

<p>&#8220;&#8230;because the use of the words &#8216;men&#8217; and &#8216;women&#8217; could be seen as &#8216;excluding transsexual and transgendered people&#8217;.&#8221;</p>

<p>Please tell me that&#8217;s a joke!?!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2006/01/25/birmingham_christian_union_suspended#comment-2414</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Christians love to be persecuted.*

In fairness so do Muslims, Jews, and Atheists.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Christians love to be persecuted.</em></p>

<p>In fairness so do Muslims, Jews, and Atheists.</p>
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		<title>By: Bikhair</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2006/01/25/birmingham_christian_union_suspended#comment-2413</link>
		<dc:creator>Bikhair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Pickler,


&quot;Bikhair - what are you on?&quot;


Well if you must know I am on my mothers wooden chair. Its quite ugly but I cant complain. When I say Christians love to persecuted I mean that they love being the victim of either secularism or the Islamo-Arab horde. Ha Ha Ha... Now I am not talking about Christians who are really persecuted I am talking about the Western variety Christians who sees a Lions Den in everything. Quite insulting to those Christians all over the world who actually do have a hard, and even deadly time because of their religious beliefs.

Now buzz off swamp thing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Pickler,</p>

<p>&#8220;Bikhair - what are you on?&#8221;</p>

<p>Well if you must know I am on my mothers wooden chair. Its quite ugly but I cant complain. When I say Christians love to persecuted I mean that they love being the victim of either secularism or the Islamo-Arab horde. Ha Ha Ha&#8230; Now I am not talking about Christians who are really persecuted I am talking about the Western variety Christians who sees a Lions Den in everything. Quite insulting to those Christians all over the world who actually do have a hard, and even deadly time because of their religious beliefs.</p>

<p>Now buzz off swamp thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Pickler</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2006/01/25/birmingham_christian_union_suspended#comment-2412</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Pickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bikhair - what are you on?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikhair - what are you on?</p>
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		<title>By: Bikhair</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2006/01/25/birmingham_christian_union_suspended#comment-2411</link>
		<dc:creator>Bikhair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christians love to be persecuted.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christians love to be persecuted.</p>
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		<title>By: Snooo</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2006/01/25/birmingham_christian_union_suspended#comment-2410</link>
		<dc:creator>Snooo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad fact is that Birmingham Christian Union are a pain in the arse. Obviously they have the right to practice their beliefs yadda-yadda-yadda, but their literature and techniques are both patronising and, from what I can tell, pretty ineffective. If students want free Beans, they will take those Beans. Everyone knows the score and no one is stupid enough to think that a motive isn&#039;t behind it. They will not hang around to talk about the meaning of life inless they wanted to in the first place. If they have spiritual questions they would have sought them out themselves.

That said, I think the Guild have made a bad call here - the second in as many years. The only possible exception where someone who is not of a particular faith should be able to join a religious society would be in the process of conversion. Stuff like this probably requires specific regulations more subtle than either/or clauses.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad fact is that Birmingham Christian Union are a pain in the arse. Obviously they have the right to practice their beliefs yadda-yadda-yadda, but their literature and techniques are both patronising and, from what I can tell, pretty ineffective. If students want free Beans, they will take those Beans. Everyone knows the score and no one is stupid enough to think that a motive isn&#8217;t behind it. They will not hang around to talk about the meaning of life inless they wanted to in the first place. If they have spiritual questions they would have sought them out themselves.</p>

<p>That said, I think the Guild have made a bad call here - the second in as many years. The only possible exception where someone who is not of a particular faith should be able to join a religious society would be in the process of conversion. Stuff like this probably requires specific regulations more subtle than either/or clauses.</p>
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