Harry's Place: Which side were the Nazis on?
In which Gene notes that the Nazi leadership sought to support the Palestinian resistance to a Jewish state being established there because they believed it was not in Germany's interest because "a (Jewish) Palestinian state would create additional national power bases for international Jewry such as for example the Vatican State for political Catholicism or Moscow for the Communists".
Gene sanctimoniously says he hopes that "Palestinians will some day come to terms with this part of their history". That of taking help from whence it was coming when faced with the very real threat of being forced off their land? I am sure this gives Palestinians many a sleepless night (not).

May sound a little weird, but some racist groups see some sort of alliance with Palestinians and Syrians.
David Duke, a well known white supremist in the US, took his message to Syria last year.
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/051122/2005112209.html
Zionist leaders also allied with fascism during this period.
I hope no one doubts anymore what the agenda of the "muscular liberals" really is.
Shamil: you were probably thinking of Jabotinsky and his set, who were allied with Mussolini who was not an anti-Semite. They were much more wary of Hitler. (Collaboration with the Nazis happened, but on a much smaller scale, eg. Rumkowski of Lodz.)
Shamil: you were probably thinking of Jabotinsky and his set, who were allied with Mussolini who was not an anti-Semite. They were much more wary of Hitler. (Collaboration with the Nazis happened, but on a much smaller scale, eg. Rumkowski of Lodz.)
Hitler wasn't anti-arab either.
The suggestion that HP is making is that Arabs allied with totalitarianism but jews wouldn't.
Alternatively would would HP question jewish involvement in the atrocities carried out in the Soviet Union?
Gene sanctimoniously says he hopes that "Palestinians will some day come to terms with this part of their history".
Yusuf, it would have been nice if you had quoted my whole sentence: "Just as Israelis have confronted the horrors of the Deir Yassin and Hebron massacres, I hope Palestinians will some day come to terms with this part of their history."
People who can't come to terms with what they're doing NOW shouldn't lecture people on their supposed history.
This is a joke. Anybody who's read Lenni Brenner's "51 documents" knows better.
Plenty of Irish were supportive of Germany against England not because of some fondness of nazism but a hatred of occupation.
Palestinians have nothing to be ashamed in this matter.
This is a joke. Anybody who's read Lenni Brenner's "51 documents" knows better. Plenty of Irish were supportive of Germany against England not because of some fondness of nazism but a hatred of occupation. Palestinians have nothing to be ashamed in this matter.
Yeah this selective racism from the neo-lib/con camp is getting rather tiresome. It seems that racism is only what "the jews" (and by that I mean leaders and intellectuals)decide it is.
Numerous nations actually sided with the Nazis, not out of solidarity with their ideology, but merely as a means to remove another oppressive occupying power. We hear little of the Nazi collaborators from the Baltics and the Ukraine, who saw the Nazis as deliverance from the Soviet hell they'd been living under; whilst even the Indian Suvas Bose requested help from Hitler to oust the British from India. No doubt the peoples of Africa and Southeast Asia welcomed Germany's invasion of the homelands of their own occupiers, since they had no reason to believe that the Nazis wanted anything more than an Empire that stopped at the Urals.
You guys know, don't you, that Haj Amin al-Husseini was an enthusiastic supporter of the Holocaust?
His support for Nazi Germany was more than tactical or pragmatic. But that's no reason for denying Palestinians their basic rights, including a state existing peacefully next to Israel.
As I said, though, I hope Palestinians can come to terms at some point with this part of their history.
Actually, Hitler was not a racsit in the official difinition of the term.
In this short essay I will quote from an actual expert from Otto Wagener's "Memories of a Confident"-- recordings of his conversations with Hitler during the 1920's) (before rise to power.) where we see Hitler's secret intentions for all the innocent races not belonging to Nordic stock.
While revealing his future plans for the various races of the earth and the future relationship of Aryan's to nature and all it's narual, that is organic creations, when we dod this we will all develop a genuine insight into Hitler's hidden worldview considering other races which he felt were non-threatening to his national people .
In this unpublisized quote among many others, Wagener is commenting to Hitler on his knowlege of Arab views toward the Germans, and specificaly the Arab Emissary, who revealed such information when he visited Hitler in Germany.
He said that the Arabs see the Germans as heros and future liberators from Jewish rule and British enslavement.
They applauded the Germans for standing up to the British arrogance and their view of the Jewish influence which was not good since Zionism was a nationalist, militarist, socialist,culteraly revolutionary, political, orginization with an agenda all of their own; they were going to re-colonize Palestine if they had to sacrifice some Arab blood, the line of Ishmael--it was no problem.
Regaining lost lands is a princable need of a nationalistic culteral revolution.
So this spirit, along with the firm backing of England they sought to grap the atvantage of superior military and financial backing and thus were superior to any Palestinian.
Hitler was very fond of the Arabs as to his knowlege of there superior advances in the middle ages when the fallen Europeans were being stupified by Christianity and did not value their greates minds,meanwhile the Moslems appreicated the great Aryan minds.
He also knew that the Moslems got much of their acidemic knowlege of science from India.
Therefor he figured if half the existant Aryan-Anglosaxon race is so decived at do not want change, he would be better off making freinds with other races such as Asians of the most advanced types, Arabs, Africans and eventualy Indians, and his policies proved his wish of good will with all the peaceful and honerable races.
This may sound too fantastic, but lets let the facts speak for themselves:
"Memories of a Confident"
1920's disiple Wagener's record of Hitler's secret mission:
As Wagerner has just remarked on the Arab Emissary vist to Germany and their support for the German cause Hitler remarked:
"But the Semites seem to recognize their racial compatriates.
Furthurmore it seems to me that they know more about race than Europe does.
The whitewashed good manners of our continent have seen to it that everything that might contribute to lucidity and truth was overlaid with a uniform grey.
Let us not lose sight of the Arab League.
We Germans have gotten in the habit of looking for friends only in Europe--if possible among people of the same race.
Perhaps this is a mistake.
Perhaps it is much easier to find freinds among the other races..
If the Arabs know that we-that is a "NEW GERMANY" can offer them understanding, support, and firm backing in their own struggles for freedom , and that we consider them competent to enter alliances--welcom them, infact---such a realization might have significant repercussions in our position with in Europe as well.
Furthurmore an alliance of intrests between Germany and the Arabic-Semetic race might also have far reaching significance for our relations with the millions of African, Indian, and yellow peoples. purport:(for they are all pure and racialy concieous)
continued: "A Whole New perspective is opening up for me!"
but then Hitler rubbed his hands accross his eyes and continued in a clamer vioce: "I'll have to sleep on it. It seems to me that "PRACTICAL POLITICS TIES TO ENGLAND",
It will have to be a LONG-TERM GOAL" ( that is the final restoration of freindly relations with nobal non-Aryan races and Aryan subraces races.)
continuing in the recording of memories of a Confident Wagener warns Hitler that "England would not sit idly by while we begin to sympathize with the various nations that England has always considers it's vassals." ( then Wagener continues by writing that an old war comrade had informed him that an English Colonel worked for the British intelegence was coming to Munich and wanted to talk to him about the ideals and goals of the NSDAP):
Wagener notes: When I filled Hitler in on this visit, he said,: "Now England is taking intrest in us.
(he does not fear the millions of Africans, Indians, Semites, and yellow peoples but when concerning the cunning British Devil bent on world domination and subjegation Hitler advised:
Lets be cautious---I have no personal knowlege of the British.
What I've read and herd about them is not altogether favourable.
I am sure of only one thing, they are a practical people, and exclusively preocupied with they're own atvantage and their own security."
Then Hitler remarks on a typical British charactieristic which (one which he earlier states will not be the foriegn worldview conserning relations and geo-political-strategy of the "NEW GERMANY")
"Since they think only of themselves when they act and speak, a certain amount of INSINCERATY has become second nature to them".
So Hitler originaly wanted to convert the British and make them a great international race but he also wanted certain elements within their character eliminated patricuraly their conception of non-Brits and their disregard for nature.
Hitler wanted to be sincer with his niegbors as well as with other races-- nobal aware Aryan and non-Aryans--that understood his mission and had been unjustly treated by this egotistic material and finacial force of the Anglo-Saxon-Christian-Sadducceic order of the Capitalist West.
Hitler wanted the colored races to love the Aryans as benovolent, merciful, knowlegeable Gods of good luck and illumination.
The white race is suppposed to radiate the spiritual colors of the various races: white, red, yellow, should be channled to vibrate the white light which is made of the color spectrume.
We are supposed to acctivate the light in every animated being including the earth.
Hitler wanted a "New Europe" that was not Jealous of the spiritual matneince of the other races as the Christians, but a Europe that appriciated the beauty and value of every nobal honest forms and looked to uplift the conciousness of every level of life striving upwards in evolution; which includes animals, other races, and all other forms of life.
That pretty much say's Hitler's real intentions to other races, species, and lifeforms.