FrontPage savages Norm and Nick Cohen

Via Islamophobia Watch, a hilarious exchange among Jamie Glazov of Front Page Magazine and Norman Geras and Nick Cohen, to which David Horowitz is later introduced. The “interview” was supposed to be about the Euston Manifesto, but it degenerates into a diatribe by Glazov about how the left was always the faction that supported Stalin and Pol Pot and never had any moral credibility anyway, so how could it have lost it as Geras and Cohen allege.

Martin Sullivan at PhobeWatch opines:

Hardly surprising – they all have so much in common. Glazov congratulates his interviewees: “Overall, it is highly admirable to see members of the Left such as yourselves standing up for a moral and decent position in our current terror war.”

… How long, I wonder, before Geras and Cohen follow Horowitz’s example, ditch the pretence of being in any sense left wing and openly embrace the Right.

I actually think that Geras and Cohen come out of the exchange rather well, having demonstrated the total inability of the FPM mob to think outside the “unreality bubble” they have built around themselves. It kind of reminds me of why I used to respect Cohen for his columns in the Observer, before the Iraq war when he dismissed the entire movement as a coalition of the Marxists he didn’t like and the Muslims he didn’t like, noticing the people on the podium (or some of them) and missing everyone else.

Having seen the sort of articles Horowitz allows to be published on FPM, I know what sort of people they are: they have no honour and they have no shame, providing the means to debunk the lies they tell as if they do not care about being found out (see this example and my reply). Among Glazov’s tactics is to demand that someone answer a hostile question, rubbish his answer and then move on, as he did in his interview with the fake sheikh Palazzi last September; one sees this in the first question he poses to Geras after allowing him and Nick Cohen to introduce themselves; he dismisses the answer, posing another question to Cohen.

I was going to pose the question of whether they should have known that Glazov and Horowitz are debaters of dubious honour with closed minds, but perhaps they expected that they as “allies in the war on terror” would be treated with a little bit more respect. FPM has in the past done a feature on one of the Iranian Worker-Communist mob when they were opposing Shari’a arbitration in Canada; I’m not sure if the FPM writer did not know, or did not care, that her subject was a Marxist. I have a world of differences with Geras, Cohen and their ilk, and have criticised articles they wrote about various issues on this blog, but I’ve yet to see them employ the shameless, dirty “debating” tactics of these debased people.

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  • http://interbreeding.blogspot.com mark

    Thanks for posting this. It’s very interesting in two ways.

    Firstly, it showcases perfectly what the American right, it seems to me always do, namely see the Left as a single block, refuse to see any difference between liberals and communists.

    Secondly, it seems like these neo-cons actually feel threatened by and need to draw a line between them and racist-islamophobes on the left, since these Strasserites make the neo-cons’ full Hitlerian agenda seem unnecessary.

    I wonder what frontpage makes of Hitchens; he’s in the same camp with these other red-brown types, right?

  • Shamil

    Firstly, it showcases perfectly what the American right, it seems to me always do, namely see the Left as a single block, refuse to see any difference between liberals and communists.

    I’d say likewise there isn’t really an American right. There are different factions who are reffered to as right-wing but may not agree on many issues.

    Secondly, it seems like these neo-cons actually feel threatened by and need to draw a line between them and racist-islamophobes on the left, since these Strasserites make the neo-cons’ full Hitlerian agenda seem unnecessary.

    Why does everything have to come back to Nazism?

    It’s like you can’t critisize anyone without drawing some analogy from WW2.What makes it even more ridiculous is that Cohen and Geras are self declared left-wing and both the neo-cons and muscular (ha) liberals are mostly jewish or very pro-jewish.

    I wonder what frontpage makes of Hitchens; he’s in the same camp with these other red-brown types, right?

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=11241

  • http://auswatch.blogspot.com mark

    Irony noted.

    Things don’t have to come back to WWII, but I think it’s instructive. These guys themselves have to claim that the ‘enemy’ is ‘anti-semitic’ or (Islamo-)’fascist’. And this just isn’t true. Islamism isn’t fascism. Rather, it’s the West who are the racists, the militarists, and it’s Islamophobia that’s the new anti-semitism, and we have to insist on this and show that the Euston Manifesto is really a left-wing version of fascism, which effectively preaches racist imperial expansion abroad, while preaching socialism at home. This was a current in early C20th fascism, particularly around the left-wing of the Nazi party. And these guys should beware, because we know that these left-wing cheerleaders for racism and war are ultimately dispensible.

    Thanks for the Hitchens link. Really, the only difference between that interview and the one linked in the original post is that Horowitz didn’t storm in and start berating Hitchens during his interview.

  • Thersites

    All that the exchange and the comments show is the complete meaningless of the terms “left” and “right” and “islamophobia” and “racism”. Was “the left-wing of the Nazi party” to the right or to the left of the right wing of the communist party? How do the “neo-cons” engage in “Hitlerite rants”? In what way can people be described as “racist-islamophobes” when no-one claims that islam is a race and the reasons they give for disliking islam and islamic doctrines are entirely reasonable?

  • Shamil

    when no-one claims that islam is a race

    Racism is generally used to mean prejudice towards cultural groups rather than prejudice just on the basis of skin colour.

    “Kike” is considered a racist term even though it was meant by German jews to refer specifically to Eastern European jews who I don’t think constitute a racial group.The same with “Paki”. Pakistani isn’t a race.

    By the way how does it feel being a collection slogans?

  • Shamil

    To add even if “Kike” is used to mean all jews it still wouldn’t technically be racist as jews aren’t a race they’re a cultural religious/group

  • http://auswatch.blogspot.com Mark

    I’d like to chime in with the point that one of the things Islamophobia does is constitute Muslims as a race, by saying that all Muslims are the same, by saying, as I have heard people say verbally, that there is a ‘Muslim problem’.

  • Thersites

    “Racism is generally used to mean prejudice towards cultural groups rather than prejudice just on the basis of skin colour.” Really? Who by? As racists are a cultural group presumably you think it racist to be prejudiced towards racists.

    Jews are a race simply because they are perceived and identified as a race regardless of their beliefs. A former muslim is no longer a muslim in the eyes of muslims or nonmuslims. A former jew, or the descendant of former jews, is a jew whether they like it or not.

  • Shamil

    Really? Who by?

    Popular culture.

    As racists are a cultural group presumably you think it racist to be prejudiced towards racists.

    Do you consider golfers a culture as well?

    Jews are a race simply because they are perceived and identified as a race regardless of their beliefs.

    Would you consider Texans a race as well?

  • Thersites

    “‘Really? Who [is racism generally used to mean prejudice towards cultural groups ] by? ’ Popular culture.” Which popular culuture?

    “Do you consider golfers a culture as well?” Certainly. They have many of the characteristics- a tendency to dress in distinctive clothing, incomprehensible terminology, irrational devotion to their beliefs, hatred and hostility to outsiders.

    “Would you consider Texans a race as well?” People who hate Texans do.

  • Shamil

    Which popular culuture?

    They have many of the characteristics- a tendency to dress in distinctive clothing, incomprehensible terminology, irrational devotion to their beliefs, hatred and hostility to outsiders.

    You did read golfers?

    People who hate Texans do.

    Such as?

  • DrM

    Jews are NOT a race. If that were the case you wouldnt have African, Asian and European jews.

  • Thersites

    Humans are NOT a race. If that were the case you wouldnt have African, Asian and European humans.

  • Thersites

    ‘“Would you consider Texans a race as well?” People who hate Texans do. ‘Such as?’

    everyone else.

  • DrM

    thersites, have you firing up your crack pipe? You make no sense whatsoever.

  • Thersites

    Really? Would you explain why my comment makes less sense that yours?

  • DrM

    Simple, overwhelming evidence.

  • Thersites

    Produce it, please.