Shaikh Hilali, Westerners and rape

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In the past week, the storm over the sermon delivered a month ago by the Egyptian imam Taj al-Din al-Hilali, the imam of a major mosque in Sydney, Australia, and supposed “mufti of Australia”, has broken, with commentary on a number of Muslim blogs (and no doubt many more non-Muslim ones), the sermon being front-page news even here in the UK and becoming a main topic of conversation on this morning’s Vanessa Feltz show. Feltz blatantly misquoted the imam, suggesting that he had compared any woman covered less than completely to uncovered meat, which is not what he said at all. What he did say was pretty offensive, however. (More: Austrolabe, Abu Eesa, Umar Lee [1], [2], Muslim Apple, Muslim Anarchist [1], [2].)

You can find a transcript, sourced from The Australian, at the BBC News site here. He very clearly conflates adultery (he is likely to have said zina, which refers to adultery and fornication) with rape:

But when it comes to adultery, it’s 90% the women’s responsibility. Why? Because a woman possesses the weapon of seduction. It is she who takes off her clothes, shortens them, flirts, puts on make-up and powder and takes to the streets, God protect us, dallying. It’s she who shortens, raises and lowers. Then it’s a look, then a smile, then a conversation, a greeting, then a conversation, then a date, then a meeting, then a crime, then Long Bay jail. [laughs]. Then you get a judge, who has no mercy, and he gives you 65 years.

The reference is likely, as other commentators have noted, to be to Bilal Skaf, who received a 55-year jail term for being the ringleader in a series of gang rapes against young women in Sydney in 2000. A jail term that long for rape is never the result of a judge’s lack of mercy; common rapists commonly receive sentences of between a tenth and a fifth of that, and many receive less. One would know from merely looking at that sentence that the crimes involved were very, very highly aggravated, and in this case the victims were often teenagers and the gangs sometimes fourteen-strong. Australia is not the old Deep South where such sentences are given out for racist motives.

It might seem obvious to anyone reading it that the scenario Shaikh Hilaly described, with a girl flirting with a man, or even a group of men, while dressed provocatively may well get the woman male sexual attention (sometimes this is the attention, sometimes not) and lead to an illicit sexual act, but it almost never leads to rape, much less to gang rape. It’s a very long way from making gestures and suggestions to a woman to raping her.

Umar Lee blogged on this earlier in the week and took apart the common objections to the suggestion that a woman is laying herself open to trouble by dressing in a sexually provocative fashion. It is not a victim’s fault that he is robbed even if he has laid his valuables open to view and walked in an area known for being infested with robbers, but he has in fact invited the attacks. If we are actually talking about women being attacked in a public place, the analogy falls down because most rapists are not looking for a sexy figure but for an easy target. Rapists, like bullies, are cowards, and they are not going to rape a woman who is 5ft 10in tall and clearly well built, however sluttily she is dressed unless that is really the rapists’s fetish and he has the necessary weaponry. He is more likely to pick on a more vulnerable looking (i.e. smaller and weaker) victim, even if she is well-dressed even by our standards.

Umar concedes that there “is never any excuse to rape a woman or to assault her and all such violators of these laws should be severely punished”; however, the “contributory negligence” a woman shows by dressing in a given way or by getting into a man’s car (because she believes the car to be a minicab and she needs to get home and does not want to be out on the streets at night) has actually been used by judges, in the UK and probably elsewhere, as mitigating factors which reduce a man’s sentence; in one case (admittedly, as long ago as 1982), such “negligence” (she was hitch-hiking) led to the rapist being given a £2,000 fine. The fact that the man had picked the woman up, knowing that she only wanted a lift home and possibly intending in advance to rape her, was apparently as nothing in the light of her foolishness (or possibly desperation) in getting into his car. There is this notion that men are somehow less responsible when they attack a woman, which I find offensive given that I somehow find it within myself to walk past women in various states of dress and undress every day without having the urge to jump on them. In reality, men rape because they want to, not because they have to.

Muslim Apple noted that this was another case of a foreign-born imam who does not understand the culture of the country in which he works and has chosen to settle. It’s not just imams who are guilty of this, however; my guess is that a fair proportion of the immigrants who came to this country from the Muslim world do not realise that things they perceive as indecent are not considered so here, at least in certain situations. For example, a swimsuit does not cover much more than a woman’s underwear, but much as we Muslims may dislike it, a woman wearing that, and nothing else, in or near a mixed swimming pool is considered perfectly normal in the west. It is in no way representative of how the woman dresses or behaves outside that situation.

If there is one thing about we can generalise with regard to western dress and behaviour, it’s that you can’t generalise, if you’ll excuse the cliché. The fact that a woman dresses in a short skirt, particularly if it’s a thick one and she has a pair of tights on underneath, no more makes her a slut than a woman dressing in a fashion one might think less than feminine makes her a lesbian. There are in fact lots of women, particularly middle-aged women, who live in jeans and T-shirts, there is at least one aspect of almost every season’s fashions which would offend Muslim sensibilities when worn in public, and there are lots of lesbians who are really rather feminine and whom you would not know to be gay unless you really knew them, or they told you.

But all this is academic given that rape is never acceptable, no matter how slutty the woman is or appears to be. You would be hard pressed to find any women in this part of the world, whether she is dressed in a miniskirt or in full Islamic dress with niqab, who would agree that a woman who was raped was “asking for it”, simply because of how traumatic rape is for the woman (and in the case of the woman in niqab, she may well have a sister or two who is not Muslim and not averse to wearing a miniskirt or a pair of tight trousers, and however much she disapproves of her sister’s lifestyle, she will not wish rape on her any more than on herself). It is not true that a woman who has sex outside of marriage (another thing which is common here; it is not uncommon for a couple to live together for years before marrying) will somehow not notice being raped because she is already so dirty - why do you think some rapists drug their victims by slipping a pill into their drinks first? Rape is a serious act of violence and is not comparable to a bit of teasing and ogling - however unpleasant and intimidating that itself feels.

Islam does not encourage men to act on every sexual impulse; it encourages continence, in both men and women. The fact that, in some places, vulgar Arab (and otherwise Muslim) men harrass women who pass them in the streets (and women who think they only do this to non-Muslim, or uncovered, women should know that in the Middle East, this happens to women in hijab as well) does not mean that they are acting according to Islam, and most religious Muslims do not want to be associated with them. It is disappointing that an imam would reinforce the stereotype by effectively allowing people to tar religious Muslims with the same brush as the faasiqeen (delinquents) who harrass women. Men, unlike cats, are human beings and responsible for their own actions, and the Shari’a takes a dimmer view of “diminished responsibility” than western law does - you can still be killed in retaliation if you kill someone who gave some sort of provocation, something which would result in a drastically reduced penalty in the UK - so how does this justify the notion that a woman’s dressing badly or flirting makes her responsible for a man’s attacking her? Rape is a man’s doing and a man’s responsibility, and whatever part a woman played in bringing about the situation in which it happened, it does not diminish the man’s responsibility for his own actions in the slightest.

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  • http://www.maryams.net/dervish Umm Yasmin

    Salams, There are a couple of translations of his talk floating around, and there is no getting around what he said. Unfortunately the problem is that the media in Australia keep honouring the title of “mufti of Australia” which no-one except his Lakemba congregents recognise. It’s very hard on the rest of us :(

  • http://www.maryams.net/dervish/2006/10/28/hilalis-comments/ Dervish

    Hilali’s comments

    I was having a really good day on Thursday until J at work asked if I’d seen The Australian. For those who don’t know the ins and outs of Australian Muslim politics, decades ago the undemocratic and unrepresentative Australian Federation o…

  • aichague

    Assalamu Alaikum,

    I was quite annoyed by one of the discussion slots on our local radio ramadan station. Some brothers had mentioned, in their discussion on Muslim womens’ dress (no snide comments you at the back!) that rape was far less common in Muslim societies and quoted a statistic about the sex crimes for Saudi Arabia for one year being equal to New York’s for one week. I would guess that this is true but that the real figure is possibly higher given the stigma against reporting rapes and the underreeporting of “date rapes” but I do think it’s very dangerous to tout the hijab as some sort of anti-rape device. Principally, because it could lead a woman whose hijab is not complete being blamed by her community and shown not an ounce of sympathy if she were to be victim of (God forbid)rape.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think the Shaikh was wholly wrong in what he said, although he could have said it in a better way. And he was wrong if he did suggest that it’s completely the woman’s fault.

    For those Muslims that disagree with the Shaikh completely, I would like to ask them what the reason is in Islam that a woman has to cover her adornments? It seems obvious to me that it’s a safeguard against zina. Of course it’s not 100% effective but it does offer some protection. The way I see it, if a woman doesn’t display her beauty, she’s less likely to have a man fall in love with her and thus less likely the chance of zina occuring.

    “most rapists are not looking for a sexy figure but for an easy target”

    Most rapists - so what about the rest?

    “But all this is academic given that rape is never acceptable, no matter how slutty the woman is or appears to be.”

    That is true.

    “I somehow find it within myself to walk past women in various states of dress and undress every day without having the urge to jump on them.”

    No doubt you can, but still the Quran asks you to lower your gaze and for the women to cover up, so that surely proves something.

  • Old Pickler

    Very well argued, Yusuf. It is quite right that this man’s comments are criticised by Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

    Obviously his comments are deeply insulting to women, but also to men - he implies that men are like animals with no control. Also, rape is an act of violence and an expression of power. It occurs in all societies. In the West, I think, women feel more able to report rape without thinking they will be blamed for it, and this is something that Muslim countries could learn from us.

    People must take responsibility for their actions.

  • Shamil

    I disagree with the extremity of his comments but I think it is disingenuous to deny that in the west men are perceived as being more sexually agressive than women.

    I don’t even think it’s even a particularly “traditional” or controversial belief. I’ve heard plenty of “liberal” people elude to it in passing.

  • http://wasalaam.wordpress.com/ Abu Sahajj

    […]”I think it is disingenuous to deny that in the west men are perceived as being more sexually agressive than women.”[…]
    It should be fairly obvious that this Western men are more sexually aggressive, c’mon Hollywood has a multi-billion dollar adult-entertainment interest. Where else in the world can you find this?

  • http://sunrunner.wordpress.com Sunrunner

    This is a great post.

    But I would like to add one thing to this, in my opinion, the issue in the kind of man’s mind who would perpetrate rape as to what a woman is wearing or not wearing is a red herring.

    In my opinion,, it is actually whether or not she is “out” in the world without being accompanied by a man. I say this because I experienced more aggressive sexual harassment wearing hijab in Muslim countries than I ever have by any man in the west, Muslim or otherwise. In many situations it was constant and pervasive. And very frightening.

    Which says to me that the kind of man who behaves in this matter regards any woman who is not obviously in the possesion of a man, in that moment (when she is alone on the street) as fair game. Since she is not being properly controlled (kept at home by her menfolk), there is nothing wrong with “stealing her.” Of course, this attitude is held also by non-Muslim rapists, but I think that the attitude by this Australian Iman underscores a belief system that is quite institutionalized in a fairly large sub-set of the Muslim population (I would add that there are a lot of women who have bought into the idea that if a woman is out there, alone, wearing whatever, she is “asking for it”).

  • DrM

    Another manufactured controversy spun out of the so-called niqab debate. I remember Pat Robertson called for Hugo Chavez’s assassination, TWICE. I doubt pRickler(who rarely reads the posts yet comments like the uninformed malicious fool that she is) and the usual suspects lost much sleep it.

  • Raashid

    He was widely described as Australia’s “most senior cleric”, which again implies that his views are representative of the Aussie Muslim community, or at least, his views are binding upon the, Aside from the fact we recognise no formal clerical heirarchy, can nobody ever challenge these ignorant mullahs from the best of example our own Prophet (PBUH)? In pre-Islamic Arabia women were known to be as, if not more lewd then in the current Western world which retains a residual Christian morality. I have yet to hear any mullah use evidence from Muhammad (SAW) or the sahaba (RA) to back up their views, even though they grew up in and lived for a while in a society where women were naked?

  • Ann

    Assalaamu alaikum,

    I think that rape is less prevalent in a conservative Muslim society.

    Besides everything else, there are just fewer opportunities for a man to grab and rape a woman. For example, women don’t live alone; they often live in large homes with several families (in the extended family). This is true for men, too; adults who aren’t married still live with their families.

    When women go out shopping or socializing, they’re often accompanied by mothers, sisters, aunts, friends, cousins, etc. It’s not so common for a woman to be out driving by herself late at night or in a dangerous or unpopulated area (and impossible in a place like Saudi Arabia).

    Many of the rapes that occur in the West are so-called “date rapes”, where a man and a woman go out together, then go back to one of their places, often intoxicated, etc. This is not a common situation in a Muslim society.

    Even some of the incidents that are called “rape” are not what would be considered “rape” in the West. Sometimes a young couple want to marry, but the family refuses, so the young woman runs away and stays with the man, in order to force the family to allow the marriage. Even if the woman consented to sex, if she is under 18, the man can be charged with rape.

  • http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_category.cfm?cat_id=9 Old Pickler

    I doubt pRickler(who rarely reads the posts yet comments like the uninformed malicious fool that she is)

    If you have a constructive argument to make that is relevant to the topic, I would love to hear it.

    I read Yusuf’s thoughtful and reasoned post extremely carefully. Perhaps you could learn to be a little more thoughtful and reasoned yourself.

    Ann, while some of the points you make are true, there is undoubtedly a greater stigma in Muslim and other conservative societies against women who have been raped. Also some rapes, for example of a wife by her husband, or a wife in an arranged marriage that is really a forced one, would not be seen as such in many Muslim countries. This may be cultural rather than to do with Islam, but it is certainly a point to take on board.

  • anonymous

    Also, don’t forget the effect of television programs on people’s behaviour….particularly nowadays amongst muslims.

    Afterall the TV is projecting real (yet unreal) pictures that do tend to incite or provoke real bad actions in the society. This has been overly documented in multitudes of research. PG logo on movies would not solve the problem.

    From an Islamic view point, I am not sure that the same state which actively promotes/permits promiscuity has the right to charge anyone for rape, adultery, etc. that occurs as a direct result of its permissiveness. The judgement with God is different.

    Stupid man is already living his hell on earth. What more hell does he need?

    Then we blame God for all our problems and suffering. So, God will punish us for libel, …welcome to club class hell.