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Is this the only means by which Anglican clergy hope to gain attention nowadays?

Nazir-Ali is always the first Christian minister to attack Muslim practice. And to think that this guy was in the running for the post of Archbishop of Canterbury. Compare his intolerant suggestions here to the tolerance shown in the remarks made by Dr. Rowan Williams during his recent visit to the Middle East.

Perhaps he thinks his Pakistani heritage gives him more right to make the comments he does.

I wonder if Nazir-Ali's an ex-Muslim? I've noticed that ex-Muslims tend to virulently hate Islam - far more that ex-Christians (for example) would hate Christianity.

GC: as far as I've read, it was his father who converted. But he does have an extraordinary degree of malice towards Muslims. He bears some similiarity with Patrick Sookhdeo, who claims to be an apostate. I personally believe his name to be made up, since the name Sookhdeo (and Sukhdev, from which it's clearly derived) is a Hindu first name and I tried Googling for names like Muhammad Sookhdeo and Sukhdev and got no results.

Sukhdev is actually a Sikh name in origin. As for Nazir-Ali, I'd be angry too if nobody showed up at my church. Notice how they cart the "ethnics" around to spout off nonsense against Muslims.

I left the third world because of the intolerance of others. Only to find the same bigots e.g. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, John Santamu, Nazir-Ali and Omar Bakri (although he is gone now)have set up camp in Europe and are spewing the same old hate. Where am I going to run to next?

Anyone that can be bothered to listen to Hirsi Ali and Santamu will immediately see that their speeches have been recycled from the hateful and divisive politics of Africa that have destroyed Somalia (Hirsi's home country)and Uganda(Santamu's).

What has made Britain so great is the tolerance of its people which allows everyone to be what they want to be and still be part of the society.

Their kind of politics was practised in the U.K when?around the 10th century? Anyway, I wish someone would tell them Oliver Cromwell passed through these shores, and that was way back in the 17th century.

I am a Christian and I agree that religious customs should not be altered in any case. Religious freedom is the hallmark of democracy and any infringement on it is an attack on democracy.

With all due respect, though, let's also denounce the fact that a grown man educated in the customs of Islam may have utilized this custom to his cowardly advantage.

If true, his is a crime that is even worse.

Peace be with you. Doug

I meant 'same old hatred'.

Doug Karr: the operative word here is "may". The fact is that nobody knows if he has or hasn't, and I personally wonder if it's possible for a man to remain disguised as a woman that thinly for the entirety of a flight to the UAE or Kenya (which is where you go if you want to get to Somalia). I'm sure he would have been found out at some point.

Nobody disputes that what he may have done is a despicable act, but then he would not have been thinking of the ramifications for Muslim women, but only of how to avoid a lengthy jail term for himself. The fact remains, though, that headline news was made of something which may simply not have happened, because it's an excuse to bash a Muslim custom that some people are uncomfortable with.

"Perhaps he thinks his Pakistani heritage gives him more right to make the comments he does." Perhaps it gives him more reason to hold the opinions he does.

Perhaps it gives him more reason to hold the opinions he does

Perhaps he was inspired by the sermons of Rwandan Bishops.

Catholic Priest Guilty In Rwanda Genocide

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/13/AR2006121301948.html?nav=hcmodule

Assalaamu alaikum,

This is really a non-issue. In the Arab Gulf countries, for example, where many women wear niqab, it's normal for women to uncover their faces when going through passport checks at the borders. I've never heard anyone object to that, and Islamic scholars say that it should be done. They have women to look at women's faces, so there's nothing to object to, but even if there were no female officials available, people understand that it's necessary. (Of course, they should give the women a little privacy and not have them uncover their faces in front of everyone.) If the officials in the UK let people go through the borders without checking them, the fault lies with them, not with the niqab.

Ann

"Perhaps he was inspired by the sermons of Rwandan Bishops" Possibly. However, every Pakistani mnonmuslimor shia i have met hasn't a very high opinion of islam's claims to tolerance, going by their observation of the practise in Apakistan.

Thersites,

Perhaps it's time you faced some hard facts, you only need to speak to the thousands of ex-catholics in Rwanda who are now Muslim.

Some FACTS for you for:

Before the genocide more than 60% of Rwandans were Catholic.

And when the killings started, tens of thousands of Tutsis fled to churches for sanctuary. But they found little protection there.

Churches became sites of slaughter, carried out even at the altar.

"When I realised that the people I was praying with killed my parents, I preferred to become a Muslim because Muslims did not kill."

Taken from the BBC news site:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3561365.stm

Don't waste time with thershites, Saggal. He never has anything relevent or remotely intelligent to say. I don't know what makes him such a worthless poster, but it really works!

What makes you think Nizar-Ali is a papist, Saggal? Going by the muslim record of kiling other muslims whenever they can, I'm sure that the Rwandan genocides will feel at home there.

Good to see you back, Dr Mabuse. Still maintaining a truly islamic level of charm, wit, intellligence, ability to debate and intellectual honesty, I see.

Wee if it isnt the anti-Muslim reject from harrys place, therShites...on his flights of fancy as usual. How can a liar of your lowly caliber ever utter words like intellectual honesty?

So now you can read Nazir-Ali's mind can you? It's just as well you can type, for if you had to speak your mind, you'd be speechless.

therShites

This would be the same DrM who said I should have grown out of toilet humour?

There are security issues regarding the niqab, and people do need to be identified. Yes, the escape story has been blown out of all proportion, but there is a security issue here, plus a cultural one - covering the face is not acceptable.

Old Pimple,

Second hand smoke is an issue as well tha affects lots more people. And unlike a passing woman wearing a niqab it is inescapable in some places.

Where have I said I can read Nazir Ali's mind, Dr Mabuse? You shouldlook up "projection" in a dictionary of psychology.

There are security issues regarding the niqab, and people do need to be identified. Yes, the escape story has been blown out of all proportion, but there is a security issue here, plus a cultural one - covering the face is not acceptable.

There are various events and times when people cover their faces in this country. You couldn't ban the niqab without banning those as well. Plus I don't think something being anti-social is a basis for making something illegal here. Prostitution is practically legal now.

Playing dumb again thershites? You really ought to stop doing that. Clearly, you spend way too much time in darkened rooms in front of your seven-year-old computer turning a whiter shade of pale. pRickler if you can't raise your head above gutter level then don't complain about "toilet humor." Get over your paranoia already.

Prostitutio in completely legal if the people concerned are adults, Shamil.

Come on now, Dr Mabuse. All you have to do is answer my question: Where have I said I can read Nazir Ali's mind?

Prostitutio in completely legal if the people concerned are adults, Shamil.

I don't think it's legal to "advertise" in certain places.