Comments on: The Wahhabis are our problem, not yours

By: Thersites

Thersites — Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:54:44 +0000

You obviously don’t know much about drug companies, Ummabdulla.

Twenty years ago people knew much less about AIDS than we do now. Treatments for haemophiliacs use donated blood and AIDS had got into the supply. First the US and then Europe passed laws covering the supply of medicine to haemophiliacs. There was a lot of debate as to whether this was needless panic or not. It turned out it wasn’t, but at the time Bayer saw no reason why they shouldn’t sell a product in countries whcih didn’t pass laws against selling it.

By: ummabdulla

ummabdulla — Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:08:44 +0000

Thersites, that’s certainly not evidence that “Christian missionaries deliberately spread AIDS in Africa under the cover of vaccines for common dangerous diseases.”

And, of course, I didn’t say that.

There were references to ideas that are circulated in the African-American community about AIDS being spread purposely in Africa. I was aware of those rumors, but frankly, I thought they were ridiculous.

It just so happened that I was with a group of people last week and one of them was talking about an e-mail that she had forwarded about Bayer selling medicine in the Middle East that could infect people with HIV. My reaction was that it was ridiculous, and even if it were true, I would have heard of it before.

Out of curiosity, I checked later and came across this news report from CBS News, citing a New York Times report.

It’s a few years old, and it references something that happened 20 years ago - not in Africa, but in Latin America and Asia. But I found it shocking (didn’t you?), and I thought of this thread. And it occurred to me that the idea wasn’t quite as ridiculous as I had thought. Which is all that I wrote…

By: zaki hammaad

zaki hammaad — Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:41:26 +0000

Watch the clarification from Abu Usamah. It should not surprise anyone that channel 4 (the same channel that condones racism and bullying) seeked sensationalism through its misrepresentation, lies and out-of-context statements for the sake of the unweary audience: http://youtube.com/watch?v=QSYgu4moeng

By: Thersites

Thersites — Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:42:12 +0000

Why are the ethically dubious but legal activities of a secular German company in Latin America and Asia in selling treatments for an illness more rapidly lethal than AIDS if left untreated evidence that “Christian missionaries deliberately spread AIDS in Africa under the cover of vaccines for common dangerous diseases.”, Ummabdulla?

By: ummabdulla

ummabdulla — Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:48:36 +0000

Assalaamu alaikum,

It’s not as ridiculous an idea as one might think. This story is about Latin American and Asia, but…

Bayer Sold HIV-Risky Meds

FRANKFURT, Germany, May 22, 2003

(AP) Chemical and drug maker Bayer AG said Thursday it acted “responsibly, ethically and humanely” during the 1980s in selling a blood-clotting product that stopped potentially fatal bleeding in hemophiliacs but was linked to the risk of HIV infection.

The company’s statement was in response to a New York Times report that it sold millions of dollars worth of an older version of the medication in Latin America and Asia while marketing a newer, safer product in the United States and Europe.

Bayer division Cutter Biological continued selling old stocks of the medicine for more than a year after it introduced a version in February 1984 that was heat-treated to kill HIV, according to documents obtained by the Times…

By: DrM

DrM — Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:00:25 +0000

Really pRickler, good thing that skewed little propaganda piece came along to confirm your broken record of a thesis.

You know whats really going on? Your policies are a failure, and you and the crooks and war mongers you support are looking for a red herring. Besides I got some hate to watch on TV…its called the 700 club. Required viewing for every christofascist hillbilly butter hog. Don’t need to go undercover to see where the hate is really coming from.

By: Old Pickler

Old Pickler — Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:08:53 +0000

Well, having seen the programme, I think there’s an obvious problem in mosques. There’s only so much selective editing and taking out of context you can do.

About time Muslims looked at what is really going on in the mosques.

By: DrM

DrM — Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:32:22 +0000

Yusuf, I wasn’t referring to you, just the general red herring the “wahabi” has become. Most of the people who use it nowadays tend to be neocon style nutters who have an axe to grind with any Muslim who doesn’t agree with western nihilism.

pRickler seems to be rather tight lipped about the hate preachers who supported the war against Iraq. As I recall, this creature was all for it. The only foot which needs to be put down is on the faces of these imperial liars and hypocrites.

By: Thersites

Thersites — Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:25:37 +0000

There is concern about the population of Africa and its rate of increase for a very simple reason, Muslims_gal: the fact that there are more people in Africa than the continent can support in comfort. If the intention was to reduce the population through drastic measures there was no need to introduce a new disease: simply cut off food aid, disease elimination programmes for such illnesses as malaria, polio and sleeping sickness and leave nature to take its course and the problem is solved.

By: Old Pickler

Old Pickler — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:24:13 +0000

I didn’t express my view very well above.

To use a comparison, there is a problem of paedophilia among some Catholic priests. It is wrong for the Catholic Church to cover this up as it has done at times. It would also be wrong to say all Catholic priests are paedophiles. But it is very wrong to say that if abuse takes place it is because of British policy in Ireland or some such.

Ultimately the Catholic Church must take responsibility for abuse in its ranks. So equally someone in that mosque should put his (or even her) foot down.