Comments on: Monbiot trashes “Loose Change”

By: Haroon Ravat

Haroon Ravat — Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:17:33 +0000

Thanks for that Simon. But do remember we were dealing with that rare brand of Saudi Islamists who apparently got stoned and cavorted with whores the night before their “martyrdom”. Im of the opinion that elements within the US administration knew what was going to happen and allowed events to proceed anyway. Whether this automatically consigns me to that sad portion of humanity who believes that Elvis works at their local branch of Wal-Mart remains to be seen. In any case, the architects of PNAC got their “catastrophic and catalysing Pearl Harbour event”. The rest is history.

By: SimonT

SimonT — Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:23:26 +0000

In response to Haroon’s comment: Keeping a critical mind means that you don’t lump all those events together: In my opinion, the truth about them probably runs: false, true, false false. Having looked into 9/11 a bit, it seems amazing that anyone can disregard all the weight of evidence that it really was a conspiracy of radical, mostly Saudi, islamists aiming to kill as many people as possible by flying planes into buildings. All the rest - controlled explosions, missiles, passengers impersonated then disposed of etc, is just too complex to have been got away with. Look at the last example you give, the Ryazan apartment bombs. All the FSB had to do was plant a few bombs late at night in undefended apartment blocks - and they still got caught doing it. The whole 9/11 “conspiracy” would have taken thousands of people, some really advanced technology and utter secrecy. It didn’t happen that way. Occam’s razor’s a very useful tool - the simplest explanation in keeping with the known facts is probably the right one. I think you should consider carefully why you want that to be true and why so many other muslims in Britain believe it to be so. The 9/11 denial movement began alsmost as soon as the towers fell. Within a couple of days, a muslim colleague passed me a tract he’d been given at the mosque. To summarise: “Who could have done such a terrible thing? The one people wicked enough - the jews!” I do wonder if people really, really believe these things. If they did, surely it would be impossible to exist within such a homicidal society. If the beliefs are merely just a retreat from reason and grown-up thinking into fantasy, then they serve a purpose, albeit a rather unpleasant one.

By: Haroon Ravat

Haroon Ravat — Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:30:19 +0000

We ought to keep a critical mind and examine all voices on the tragedy: http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,,2007936,00.html Unless of course you still firmly believe that the comintern set fire to the Reichstag, Oswald alone killed Kennedy, a lone NOI member martyred Malik Shabazz and that the Volgodonsk apartments were destroyed by Chechens.