You may have missed my question in the earlier posting:

“Do you believe the European Jews not to be as white as the ruling elite in White Europe?”

Also, does your last post mean that you would be happy to accept definitions by Racists?

You are missing the particular relevance of the Holocaust for Europeans where Jews have been a long-standing and prominent minority for centuries upon centuries. Since Xianity itself is derived from Judaism, a major strand of European culture is derived from Judaism. England in particular was the site of blood libels and expulsions and it gave the world Shylock. In the Holocaust, one might say, Europe turned on an essential part of itself. It is silly to attribute the commemoration to the whiteness of Jews. In America the crimes of slavery and Jim Crow get a lot of attention because that is where they happened, but the Armenian Genocide, for example, is less well-known.

Do you believe the European Jews not to be as white as the ruling elite in White Europe?

I would argue that they cannot be a separate grouping in terms of their skin colour. It is that very same skin colour that is rewarded with its own Holocaust Day.

“Racist Set Definitions”?

I am sure that would be giving too much importance to Racists as the policy makers. But if we do for a second look at the racist definitions; I am sure that the Nazi’s viewed their fellow European Jews as similar looking European (caucasian) people - only with a different divisive evil ideology that made them a dangerous threat to the Nazis. You know a bit like all groups view Muslims today in Europe.

Also, if there is no definition for Race then there is no definition for the racist “set” definitions. One wrong cannot be perpetuated by another wrong.

Thus, I would argue that it is true to say that it is indeed a reward to the European “caucasian” “white” jews to the exclusion of all other groups.

According to racist set defintions, jews are not caucasian.

I think that in your recent posting, the biological definition of race is probably “strain” and even strains can interbreed. Only species cannot generally interbreed. So mice that are separated by a river, like Humans separated by a geographical phenomenon, would surely be able to mate even after long periods, unless of course you are alluding to evolutionary timescales in which case we are back to supposition based on dots.

Obviously then Human beings do not have “strains” or “races”. I guess the closest that an evolutionary biologist could argue the case for human strains or races would be by using Neanderthal man as a different strain rather than species.

Humans only have cultural differences and differences in skin colour and other traits. The “race” word is only used by those with a political or other agenda by highlighting skin colour. Thus, it brings me back to the “Semitic” race. I find it difficult to accept that this is infact a race by any definition and I believe that if anything it is a claimed lineage.

If it is a lineage then that is fine, but to base laws around the “Semitic” race is not helpful. Based on this definition or race, individual families in India could claim to be races and distinct from other Indian families or races and claim discrimination against each other. But then perhaps that is what the Caste system is.

So race is a silly concept really. I think there may be agreement on that.

Semites are popularly known to be of the Jewish Religion which comes from the family or tribe of Judah (or Levite Moses) as is understood in the light of the Anti-Semitic race law. In reality of course it is claimed to be from the lineage or family of Shem in which case Arab Muslims and some Black Muslims could theoretically also claim Anti-Semitism in Austria against the Islamophobes and have them imprisoned for upto 10 years. But an Austrian court of law would probably not allow this in Austria.

I believe that we originally started discussing the concept of unfairness at treating the Jewish or Semitic group preferentially as a “white” “coloured” “race” to the exclusion of all other groups and unfairly assigning only them a commemoration day called the “Holocaust Day”.

This is especially unfair as it selectively rewards a “white” “Caucasian” “European” group viewpoint of history by commemorating the mass murder of only a “white” “Caucasian” “race” and no other group or “colour” or “race” or “lineage”.

I hope you can see why the Muslims protest at the selective commemoration of the Semitic Jews and not all the Millions and Millions of other “races” and groups who have been murdered in one or another holocaust.

You will find that the Muslim protest of Holocaust Day makes more sense in the light of the creation of Israel in the Middle East especially as the creation has led to conflict in the area. But we definitely need to protect Jews against atrocities like those in Nazi Germany. The best way would be to change the Anti-Semitic law to protect Jews so that it should be an Anti-Jewish Law based on Religion. After all Religion is recognised universally whereas Race is not. As somebody can be born in to a religious Jewish family and then later become atheist, the Jewish atheist can also be afforded protection under the new anti-Jewish law.

The Iranian President is a politician and like Bush, Blair Fahd, Musharraf and ALL the other politicians, is using the stupid denial conspiracy to dig at Israel for their input into the Iran War debate.

Biologically a race is a subgroup of a species that because of isolation has changed genetically to a point where it cannot interbreed with other members of the same species from other races- two groups of mice that have been separated by a river are obvious examples. Paradoxically the differences in appearances between humans are much more superficial than the differences between outwardly identical races of the same species. Humans haven’t been around long enough and no human groups have been isolated long enough for such large differences to appear. Some human groups have similaries among themselves and with other human groups, but there is more difference within any given human group than between any human groups.

What is the definition of a biological race and cultural race?

Are these universal definitions.

I recently read somewhere that some Israelis have Genetic variations that are the same as Palestinians and yet different to other Jewish groups eg. Ashkenazi.

Does this mean that the Middle eastern Jews are the same biological race as the Palestinians?

And if they are culturally different then what that does that make both of the groups?