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	<title>Comments on: Zimbabwe and racism</title>
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		<title>By: scotchcart</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2007/11/25/zimbabwe_and_racism#comment-1995</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well die hard racism never ceases to amaze me - and I come from there.

With an election coming up, I thought it might be interesting to poll Zimbo&#039;s on how soon they expect to be going home.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well die hard racism never ceases to amaze me - and I come from there.</p>

<p>With an election coming up, I thought it might be interesting to poll Zimbo&#8217;s on how soon they expect to be going home.
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		<title>By: Thersites</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2007/11/25/zimbabwe_and_racism#comment-1994</link>
		<dc:creator>Thersites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;i hope that the natives go through the process of learning self-rule quickly and ward off the terrorist elements and covert destabilizing campaigns employed by the uk goverment in these kind of countries&quot;

So, you think President Mugabe and friends are British agents?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;i hope that the natives go through the process of learning self-rule quickly and ward off the terrorist elements and covert destabilizing campaigns employed by the uk goverment in these kind of countries&#8221;</p>

<p>So, you think President Mugabe and friends are British agents?</p>
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		<title>By: whatever</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2007/11/25/zimbabwe_and_racism#comment-1993</link>
		<dc:creator>whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frankly, because of the uk goverment blindly demonising zimbabwe...the logic is that this is again civilised western christian propoganda.  so not knowing too much of Zimbabwe, i hope that the natives go through the process of learning self-rule quickly and ward off the terrorist elements and covert destabilizing campaigns employed by the uk goverment in these kind of countries.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frankly, because of the uk goverment blindly demonising zimbabwe&#8230;the logic is that this is again civilised western christian propoganda.  so not knowing too much of Zimbabwe, i hope that the natives go through the process of learning self-rule quickly and ward off the terrorist elements and covert destabilizing campaigns employed by the uk goverment in these kind of countries.</p>
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		<title>By: dawud</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2007/11/25/zimbabwe_and_racism#comment-1992</link>
		<dc:creator>dawud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>White rule in Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia) was imposed (by Cecil Rhodes and others) in such a clear and bigoted manner, and with such atrocities (perhaps not carried out by Smith himself, but you must be aware of the mercenaries and links to the South African regime, with uranium and other links to the Israelis and their support South African nuclear program, and via much of the above to the Thatchers)... all, indeed, a charming bunch.

Talking about how benevolent white rule is (or was) in comparison to the dictatorships that follow is often intended to defend the weak moral response to the crimes of the former (by focusing on their &#039;virtues&#039; to their supporters) while focusing upon the ills of the following regimes, forgetting that the reason that the people of Zimbabwe (including the leader of the opposition movement, the MDC) overwhelmingly supported Mugabe and thought he was beneficial for the country, and yearned for liberation from foreign rule.

May I ask whether any of those who agonise over the wonders of yester-year benefited in any way from the material profits torn from Africa and colonialism? And whether all the current cries over oppression are really sincere, since it doesn&#039;t really seem to bother Britain (BAE) how weapons and torture devices are employed by regimes like Egypt, Saudi and the UAE against their own populaces, or indeed it didn&#039;t matter until only a decade ago how apartheid was an appalling crime against humanity...

until you actually feel that every human life is worth what yours is, take life only in self-defense, and consider in the words of the Qur&#039;an that to &quot;kill one soul is to slaughter the whole world&quot; - then all cries of human rights just sound like opportunistic agonizing, as much from Britons concerned about Zimbabwe but not about Palestinians or Pakistanis, as from muslims concerned with Gitmo but not with their own regimes or Darfur.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>White rule in Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia) was imposed (by Cecil Rhodes and others) in such a clear and bigoted manner, and with such atrocities (perhaps not carried out by Smith himself, but you must be aware of the mercenaries and links to the South African regime, with uranium and other links to the Israelis and their support South African nuclear program, and via much of the above to the Thatchers)&#8230; all, indeed, a charming bunch.</p>

<p>Talking about how benevolent white rule is (or was) in comparison to the dictatorships that follow is often intended to defend the weak moral response to the crimes of the former (by focusing on their &#8216;virtues&#8217; to their supporters) while focusing upon the ills of the following regimes, forgetting that the reason that the people of Zimbabwe (including the leader of the opposition movement, the MDC) overwhelmingly supported Mugabe and thought he was beneficial for the country, and yearned for liberation from foreign rule.</p>

<p>May I ask whether any of those who agonise over the wonders of yester-year benefited in any way from the material profits torn from Africa and colonialism? And whether all the current cries over oppression are really sincere, since it doesn&#8217;t really seem to bother Britain (BAE) how weapons and torture devices are employed by regimes like Egypt, Saudi and the UAE against their own populaces, or indeed it didn&#8217;t matter until only a decade ago how apartheid was an appalling crime against humanity&#8230;</p>

<p>until you actually feel that every human life is worth what yours is, take life only in self-defense, and consider in the words of the Qur&#8217;an that to &#8220;kill one soul is to slaughter the whole world&#8221; - then all cries of human rights just sound like opportunistic agonizing, as much from Britons concerned about Zimbabwe but not about Palestinians or Pakistanis, as from muslims concerned with Gitmo but not with their own regimes or Darfur.</p>
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		<title>By: Saggal</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to agree with George Carty.

Another sad thing is that administrative frameworks implemented by colonial authorities to exploit and suppress the &quot;natives&quot; still exist to this day.

Posts such as that of &#039;PC&#039; (Provincial Commissioner), &#039;DC&#039; (District Commissioner), &#039;DO&#039;( District  Officer) complete with their own Police Force known as the Adminstration Police (in Kenya, at least) exist purely to make sure any grassroots civic institutions, democratic grassroots processes, organised protests etc never happen.

These structures were originally put in place for the benefit of Lord Delamere and others like him(am guessing).

Right now,nobody needs these structures anymore but they exist to serve as a private army for whoever is in power -if Kibaki wanted to emulate Mugabe, all he has to do is issue orders to these shadowy soldiers.

They even still wear colonial uniform! -looking like characters in the film &#039;Zulu&#039;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to agree with George Carty.</p>

<p>Another sad thing is that administrative frameworks implemented by colonial authorities to exploit and suppress the &#8220;natives&#8221; still exist to this day.</p>

<p>Posts such as that of &#8216;PC&#8217; (Provincial Commissioner), &#8216;DC&#8217; (District Commissioner), &#8216;DO&#8217;( District  Officer) complete with their own Police Force known as the Adminstration Police (in Kenya, at least) exist purely to make sure any grassroots civic institutions, democratic grassroots processes, organised protests etc never happen.</p>

<p>These structures were originally put in place for the benefit of Lord Delamere and others like him(am guessing).</p>

<p>Right now,nobody needs these structures anymore but they exist to serve as a private army for whoever is in power -if Kibaki wanted to emulate Mugabe, all he has to do is issue orders to these shadowy soldiers.</p>

<p>They even still wear colonial uniform! -looking like characters in the film &#8216;Zulu&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Thersites</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2007/11/25/zimbabwe_and_racism#comment-1990</link>
		<dc:creator>Thersites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zimbabwe peobably wasn&#039;t as bad for most blacks under white rule under Smith compared with under Mugabe. The imposition of white rule was every bit as nurderous and destruvctive of native society, however. That is a completely different question to whether whites would or should have any right to rule even if there rule was less cruel.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zimbabwe peobably wasn&#8217;t as bad for most blacks under white rule under Smith compared with under Mugabe. The imposition of white rule was every bit as nurderous and destruvctive of native society, however. That is a completely different question to whether whites would or should have any right to rule even if there rule was less cruel.</p>
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		<title>By: Yunus Yakoub Islam</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2007/11/25/zimbabwe_and_racism#comment-1989</link>
		<dc:creator>Yunus Yakoub Islam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Nafeez Ahmed&#039;s (The Cutting Edge) neo-Leninist conceptualisation of the relationship between colonialism and contemporary imperialism seriously problematizes any claims to Western superiority. See: &lt;a href=&quot;http://nafeez.blogspot.com/2007/11/hidden-holocaust-our-civilizational.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://nafeez.blogspot.com/2007/11/hidden-holocaust-our-civilizational.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://nafeez.blogspot.com/2007/11/hidden-holocaust-our-civilizational.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Nafeez Ahmed&#8217;s (The Cutting Edge) neo-Leninist conceptualisation of the relationship between colonialism and contemporary imperialism seriously problematizes any claims to Western superiority. See: <a href="http://nafeez.blogspot.com/2007/11/hidden-holocaust-our-civilizational.html"></a><a href="http://nafeez.blogspot.com/2007/11/hidden-holocaust-our-civilizational.html">http://nafeez.blogspot.com/2007/11/hidden-holocaust-our-civilizational.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: George Carty</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2007/11/25/zimbabwe_and_racism#comment-1988</link>
		<dc:creator>George Carty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many cases, didn&#039;t colonial single-product economies facilitate the rise of kleptocrats after independence?
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