Comments on: Today programme embarrassment

By: whatever

whatever — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:34:35 +0000

adultery is bad. so is being insidious.

stoning is as Islamic a concept as that of religous priests in Islam.

having said that i am sure that such a torturous pain for insiduous individuals would be more fitting than some of the 21st century Western Civilisations Christian torture methods used in Guantanamo and US military prisons for innocent muslims picked up on whims.

By: Thersites

Thersites — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:10:08 +0000

So if someone stops being a muslim it would never apply to them?

By: Safiya Outlines

Safiya Outlines — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:38:29 +0000

It does only apply to Muslims.

By: Thersites

Thersites — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:26:27 +0000

What reason? If it matters so much to muslims, such a law should only apply to muslims, not to those whose opinions and tastes differ.

By: Safiya Outlines

Safiya Outlines — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:00:11 +0000

Thersites - To someone who believes in Allah and His Messenger and that they will be punished or rewarded in the next life for their actions, such a law makes a great deal of difference.

Belief is the first pillar of Islam for a reason.

By: Thersites

Thersites — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:53:39 +0000

So the punishment for adultery is so seldom appled that it makes no effective difference at all. However- like the death penalty for apostasy or “insulting” Mohammed- its existence probably encourages people to carry out extra-judicial “executions”.

By: Safiya Outlines

Safiya Outlines — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:42:09 +0000

Thersites-

It is actually extremely difficult to be convicted of adultery under actual sharia’a standards.

One must be: Muslim, In an Islamic state and actual penetration must be witnessed by four, upstanding, honest witnesses. If there are less then four witnesses, then there is insufficient proof.

The punishment exists to demonstrate the severity of zina to Allah swt and to act as a deterrent for it, rather then an excuse for execution. Hence, there are only a few occasions of it being carried out in the time of the Prophet saw.

Also, I would state that since there are no real Islamic states functioning today, that this punishment should not be carried out today.

As for open relationships, these are not recognised in Islam, though polygyny is.

By: Thersites

Thersites — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:23:42 +0000

“Adultery wrecks lives and destroys families. How many people are murdered each year due to the fallout from people cheating on their partners?” So you would deal with the problem of erring wives or husbands being murdered by killing them slowly and painfully legally? What about where people accept or consent to their spouse’s adultery- open marriages they are called?

By: aafreen

aafreen — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:37:17 +0000

i thought mpacuk had a couple of quite articulate spokespeople that did a good job they also organised a protest outside Sudanese embassy along with Emel and one of there ‘lax hijab’ sisters was featured in Guardian…you could try to give credit where credit is due Yusuf.

By: Safiya Outlines

Safiya Outlines — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:17:03 +0000

Salaam Alaikum,

I did wonder where my comment went :)

What I wrote is that we should not be ashamed of our deen.

Stoning for adultery is a punishement laid out in the sharia’a. Anyone who looks into the requirements around it will see the very strict circumstances surrounding it’s enactment and that it is meant as a deterrent and to illustrate how wicked and grave a sin adultery is.

Adultery wrecks lives and destroys families. How many people are murdered each year due to the fallout from people cheating on their partners?