There is no similar sexual competition between Muslim women and non-Muslim women, because there is no halal way for a Muslim woman to have sex with a non-Muslim man…

What did you think of the rest of my message, by the way?

1) What is terrorism? And what is your intended meaning by it?

2) WHat is the correlation between “terrorism” and “modesty”?

Then I would mention the Sufic nations, peaceloving, being modest and yet having no inclinations towards violence, save for defense.

god their sickness is amazing. they openly talk of how they want Muslim women to be promiscuous and indulge in fornication.

The article Another Modest Proposal - Impose America’s Decadent Culture on the Muslims explains what’s going on (although I think that the title as a bit of a misnomer, as Europe is surely more “decadent” - at least in terms of sexual morals - than America).

The article’s tag line is “For one who is attached to the Ally McBealized West, the Ally McBealization of the rest of the world becomes a practical necessity.” The article also claims that the obvious alternative of reversing the West’s slide into promiscuity and loose morals is impossible, because the root cause of the West’s loose sexual morals as an effective excess of females over males.

As for de-Ally McBealizing America, I would love to hear your plan. But any plan would have to deal with the root cause of America’s slide into sexual license, which is the skewed effective sex ratio generated by modernity. Modern societies simply have too many women chasing too few marriageable (not just fully able to shoulder the minimum economic, social, and familial responsibilities of husband/father, but also “acceptable” to the marriageable woman, e.g., smarter, taller, older, more successful, and more educated than her.) Some of the big “culprits” are ending death in childbirth (eliminating the supply of widowers in search of a new mother for their children), and, especially, mass education of women (because women are loath to “marry down” education-wise, while men are happy to).

(Incidentally, the right-wing author of that article has omitted to mention corporate globalization, which renderd huge numbers of Western men “unworthy of marriage” by exporting their jobs to third-world countries. Women are less hard hit as the “caring” jobs which women are naturally better at require face-to-face interaction and thus cannot be exported abroad.)

If one looks at the Western city which was noted for its sexual licentiousness at any given point in the 20th century, you will notice that it always has more women than men. Sometimes, like Paris in the 1920s, this is because a large number of men were recently killed in a war, whereas in other instances, like Mod-era London, or like LA/Hollywood in the 1930s or today, this is because the glamour and glitz of the showbiz industry has lured in a large number of pretty young women.

@Abul Layth:

Also, who gave men the “right” to see women uncovered?

This article suggested cultures accepting of nudity (especially female nudity) are less violent than more modest cultures. How would you respond to someone who blamed Islamic terrorism on Islamic modesty?

why are they so keen to push their filth onto us rather than acknowledge and learn the lesson of chastity outside of marriage?

Egocentrism! I do believe that Chirac was correct in labeling the Khimar an “aggression”. It is aggressive towards promiscuity, whoredom, and the list goes on & on…

I agree with indigo-jo that the khimar is a symbol of femininity. I recall a discussion with a non-muslim coworker of mine saying that he saw the “veil” as a mark of ‘attraction’, raising the question of ‘how beautiful are you really?’

Also, who gave men the “right” to see women uncovered? Do men then have the “right” to see her breasts? If men’s feelings are so important, then why don’t they allow men to grope, sexually harass, or even rape women - for indeed why isn’t it the “right” of men, if by analogy of following desire and being able to look at beauty, to then TOUCH beauty? If one forwards that looking is not an invasion of personal privacy or personal freedoms, then I ask, “why do we have blinds, curtains, walls, clothes, etc.”

they openly talk of how they want muslim women to be promiscous and indulge in fornication.

what would jesus think of that?

why are they so keen to push their filth onto us rather than acknowledge and learn the lesson of chastity outside of marriage?

May Allah defeat these monsters and grant patience and victory to those who follow truth.