Comments on: The fallacy of multiculturalism helping terrorism

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:01:40 +0000

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By: sawthelight

sawthelight — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:29:47 +0000

assalamualaykum @tanjaawi

absolutely spot on with your observation. I live in a street like this. At best you will get a cursory nod or if your lucky a quick hello, otherwise they scurry off as if something is chasing them. What the hell are they so afraid of ?? Morons.

Peace

By: Tanjaawi

Tanjaawi — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:10:25 +0000

The sort of Englishmen currently lecturing about integration are a joke. England is one of the few places in the world where it is considered “normal” for an indigenous middle class family not to even talk to their own indigenous middle class neighbours in 25 years. Curiously the ones doing all the lecturing seem to be from this social stratum themselves. When I see Millwall supporters integrating with the clients of Mayfair gentlemen’s clubs, I’ll take them a bit more seriously.

I was brought up in a village in the West Country where a very large number of villagers had their own chair in one of the two pubs and never ever went to the other other pub in their entire life or for that matter even spoke to anyone at the far end of the bar. And now some people whinge that Muslims don’t go and get P**d with them!

What Muslims need to do is to start following the Sunnah on how we should be with our neighbours. At the end of the day that is all people want - good neighbours that look out for them - and honest colleagues at work that don’t screw them over. And oh, Mr SmartArse, I forgot, people who don’t blow up buses. Nice try. Obvious to all but a complete fool. Unfortunately plenty of these around.

Who you otherwise socially mix with comes under “freedom of association”. However, we seem to be a bit selective about this.

Problem is the many of Muslims here as as anti-social as the English tend to be - just amongst themselves. There are village idiots living here in the Midlands who don’t speak to their neighbours - it would appear because they come from the wrong part of South Asia so as a matter of course are taken as enemies. Certain Imams don’t want to thump this ignorance out of them because they are afraid their revenues might drop. Well if in 40 years time their masjids are being given a new lease of life as night clubs, they will only have themselves to blame.

By: CampbellMoor

CampbellMoor — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:38:13 +0000

“I do not get the impression of a “firm self-image” among the hot-headed youths who have extremist sympathies, but rather from ordinary, decent religious Muslims with their heads screwed on.”

Nice point. Virtually all their assertions are as nonsensical as this one. Problem this, they know what’s better for all of us, without having to be inconvenienced by mere facts.

By: Indigo Jo

Indigo Jo — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:43:58 +0000

Oh yes, very well observed. Now, do you have any observations which are relevant to this country, where all the actual terrorists have been male, rather than to Chechnya?

By: Dennis

Dennis — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:09:55 +0000

Yes, most terrorists are men and yet, half of the terrorist who were ‘responsible’ for the deaths of 330 innocent people in the Beslan School tragedy in North Ossetia, Chechnya in 2005 were - woman.

By: DrM

DrM — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:09:50 +0000

You need to put down your neocon crack pipe, therShites. Saddam didn’t control the flow of antibiotics and other medicine in Iraq, the sanctions wouldn’t allow it. Go read any report on the deadly effects of sanctions, imbecile, including the ones by Denis Haliday. Unless of course you have a conspiracy theory about how insulin can be used to make nukes in fictitious Muslim “no go areas” of yours. In future, wake up the dozy peglegged hamster operating that wheel-powered brain of yours before you start typing.

By: Thersites

Thersites — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:44:25 +0000

You’d better get your money back for the charm school course, Maxie. It was Saddam’s insistence on controlling the supply of antibiotics- and other goods- in Iraq that stopped their being admitted and with some things- such as food- made it scarce. It may have been stupid and wicked to let him do so, but the buck stops there.

By: DrMaxtor

DrMaxtor — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:59:02 +0000

Multicultural is a myth, just a device to claim monocultural societies are tolerant simply because non-white people are there. In the US, its largely confined to the coasts. Funny how countries which engage in wars of terrorism against others don’t understand the concept of “blowback.” That, and the fact that Europe has never been big on tolerance. Its also heartening to see therShites being the fascist revisionist bottom feeder that he is, being dismissive and being disingenuous about the cause of Iraqi deaths. Millions of Iraqis died directly because of the sanctions regime(penicillin is a WMD, apparently) and the consistent destruction of civilian infrastructure by the US and UK for 12 years. It got even worse after the invasion. Its well documented, so go drown in a puddle, troll.

By: Marc

Marc — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:07:10 +0000

In the case of Al-Qaeda terrorists, the data on the subject seems to suggest that people join because they know someone who trained in Afghanistan and drifted into already radicalized circles. Marc Sageman in particular wrote an excellent book on this subject (Studying Terror Networks), suggesting that social cliques, a network of already identified radical mosques and training camps perpetuate terrorism far more than nebulous arguments based around “multiculturalism” can account for. In fact, it is wholesale alienation from society that often increases the chances of terrorists recruiting someone. The existence of non-violent Muslim groups who can satisfy this need for identity would in all likelihood help in decreasing terrorist recruitment within the UK.

This is hardly a new idea, I know John Horgan, Mia Bloom and Bruce Hoffman, among others have accepted the basic premise of Sageman to be true, enough to have written books around the subject in recent years. Socialization between the target for recruiting and the terrorist network is the key, not already established identity politics. Radicalization often comes from increased involvement with the group, not the other way around. Very sloppy for the RUSI to not be up on modern terrorism theory.

However, reading the version of the report that RUSI released, I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised. Sloppy “scholarship” all over. This was never meant to be a serious policy paper, its tabloid fodder and quite self-serving in its calls for expanded military spending and giving a greater voice to the military and security services within the government.