Tablighis: engaging in Bradford, isolating in London – or is it just a misunderstanding?

Olympic mosque could create breeding ground for extremists, says senior Anglican - Telegraph

This was in yesterday’s Telegraph, and it surprised me how many specific falsehoods and irrelevances could be crammed into one article. The claims come from one Dr Philip Lewis, “an interfaith adviser to the Bishop of Bradford”, who as one brother suggested on the MPACUK forum, must have bought his PhD from Woolworths!

Let’s take the claims one by one:

“Tablighi Jamaat does not try to engage with wider society so there must be clear worries that such a mosque would lead to a ghetto,” he said.

“The danger is that this becomes a self-contained world, which would be vulnerable to extremists.”

The fact is that the new mosque is intended as their markaz or centre, to replace buildings which had already been used for this purpose. It is in a mixed area, where the Muslims are already of a mixture of Islamic groupings: some Bareilawi, some “salafi” and some Deobandi/Tablighi. People come from outside east London to attend the gatherings, as they are well-known. None of this is likely to change if this mosque is built. In fact, if the TJ are in charge of a major mosque, they are unlikely to be allowed to run it as any kind of fiefdom and exclude women, or do any of the other things alleged here. Many Deobandi/Tablighi mosques already admit women anyway.

The Deobandis have several mosques in south London, and there are no ghettoes around any of them.

The leaders of the liquid bomb plot, who were last month found guilty of conspiracy to kill, attended mosques run by Tablighi Jamaat. Suicide bombers who carried out terrorist attacks in July 2005 also went to meetings held by the group.

Irrelevant. Hundreds of Muslims attend gatherings of the Tablighi Jama’at; they talk about strengthening religious faith and practice, not usually about politics, least of all contemporary politics. If it was the TJ that turned these men into terrorists, one would have thought that there would already be a civil war in this country.

Dr Lewis, one of the Church’s most respected Islamic experts, said that the organisation lacks Muslim scholars and does not educate its followers in the “richness of Islam”.

This is such nonsense. The Tablighi Jama’at are close to the Deobandi establishment, and they have some of the most well-established Islamic learning institutions in the world, including Deoband itself and similar institutions throughout the Subcontinent (most notably Karachi), and in South Africa and even in the UK. The TJ has access to all of their scholars.

“There’s a religious supremacy in their teaching which doesn’t accept other religions. It can create an us and them mentality.”

It teaches that Islam is the final revealed religion and the only remaining religion of value before God, which is standard Islamic teaching. Do Christians not teach similar things about their own religion in relation to other religions, including Islam? The Deobandis are not the most hardline about that particular issue among the Muslims in east London, including those in charge of mosques, and there does not seem to be much if any conflict between them; since this mosque is a move, not an expansion, it will not make any such conflict better or worse.

According to Dr Lewis, followers of the sect are told not to mix with non-Muslims and read a book, called the Tablighi Nisab, which “could be read as a romanticisation of jihad”.

The Tablighi Nisab has not been called that for several years; it is called Faza’il-e-A’maal, roughly translating as “Deeds and their Virtues”. The book has six sections, namely:

  • Stories of the Sahaba
  • Virtues of the Holy Qur’an
  • Virtues of the Salaat
  • Virtues of Zikr (remembrance of God)
  • Virtues of Tabligh
  • Virtues of Ramadan

Modern editions have an additional section, Muslim Degeneration and its Only Remedy, which refers to their work, which they call tabligh. The sections which might involve “romanticising jihad” are likely to be in the first section, and the jihad in question was a defensive effort against various attempts to destroy the Muslim faith at its beginning. There is nothing in there about any of the movements associated with jihad now. Lewis is being dishonest by suggesting that the book (in general) is a “romanticisation of jihad” because of these sections when there is much more to the text than that.

He also raised concerns about their treatment of women, revealing that the group is extremely conservative in refusing to allow women to leave the home unless they are accompanied by a male.

This is nonsense. Some scholars may say this, but women can be seen on the streets of any district where Tablighis hold sway. Well-covered, but there all the same, and usually not accompanied by men.

Furthermore, women are not permitted to interact with a man that is unrelated, the interfaith adviser said.

What is missed out here is “without good reason”. Men and women talking to each other in general is not forbidden, as long as certain etiquettes are observed, most particularly, that they are not alone in a room together. Neither of these teachings are specific to the Tablighi Jama’at.

Councillor Alan Craig, who leads the Christian People’s Alliance and organised the meeting, said that Dr Lewis’s contribution to the debate was a great boost to the campaign to block the mosque.

He said: “For someone of Philip Lewis’s stature and experience, who has good relations with Muslims, to make these comments is a great help to our campaign.

“It shows that this is a reasoned campaign against the mega-mosque and is not built on Islamaphobia, but on facts and evidence.”

Alan Craig is a councillor on Newham Council, but not for the area (or ward) where the mosque is planned. His long-running campaign against the so-called “mega mosque” has been as based on half-truths, red herrings and distortions as this article is; I rebutted a few of them, from YouTube, here.

Senior Government sources told The Sunday Telegraph last year that it is prepared to block the proposal to build the mosque over planning issues and concern for its impact on community relations.

There are clear planning grounds on which the development could be turned down. It is so close to the main Olympic venues that it may interfere with preparations for the Games.

The site is the other side of a main road from the Olympic site; its nearest station is West Ham, south-west of Stratford, while the Olympic village is west and north-west of it. There is a town centre next to the site as well, with a substantial new shopping development being proposed also; I fail to see why a mosque should cause much additional disruption, particularly if parking is deliberately restricted to those who actually need to drive, such as the elderly and disabled. Even if it did, it might more fairly be said that the Olympic site is what causes the disruption; the mosque is there for the locals, who are likely to still be there, if the Olympics does not price them out of their neighbourhood, after the Olympics have finished.

Even leading Muslims have cast doubt on the need for another mosque in east London.

Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, who co-founded the Muslim Parliament of Great Britain, said: “We have too many mosques. I think it should not be built.

“What we need first is more integration between the existing mosques and the wider community.”

Irfan Al-Alawi, Europe director of the Centre for Islamic Pluralism, has also expressed “extreme concern” about the spread of Tablighi Jamaat.

Neither of these people are “leading Muslims”. Ghayasuddin Siddiqui is a has-been, a former “useful idiot” for the Iranian propaganda ministry, whose “parliament” has not had an election in years. (It and the “Muslim Institute” operate out of the same address in Fulham Palace Road, London.) Al-Alawi is similarly a fringe figure, in league with Stephen Schwartz who is notorious for cosying up to American Jewish and fundamentalist Christian bigots (i.e. those who run Front Page Magazine, where most of his writings seem to appear) and telling the Muslims’ enemies what they want to hear by denouncing prominent Muslims as extremists. He does not exactly have a record of serving the Muslims in east London, either. Why on earth could the Telegraph not find Muslims in east London able to give cogent arguments against the proposed mosque? Did they not care to contact MPACUK, or the Barelvi sectarians who want to stop another Deobandi mosque being built for the same reasons they have hated the Deobandis for the past century?

This article is nothing but a barrage of half-truths and innuendo, and the man behind them should know better, given that just over a week ago, he signed a set of guidelines with a Deobandi ulama grouping in Bradford, the Association of Muslim Scholars in Britain. The people behind the Abbey Mills Mosque are closely related to the AMSB (or JUB). His boss, bishop of Bradford David James, said that “Bradford is a very appropriate place to host the signing of the guidelines because in the city there are many examples of Christian and Muslim leaders working in partnership”; surely this very statement disproves his accusation that the Tablighi Jama’at encourages an “us and them mentality”, rather than engagement with wider society?

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  • http://www.islamicpluralism.eu Suleyman Schwartz

    Selamaleykum

    You are obviously illiterate and dishonest. I have not published anything with Frontpagemag for several years. As for “cozying up to” Jewish and Christian leaders, why don’t you name some names, and then explain why it is wrong for Muslims to engage in dialogue with such leaders? The only “prominent Muslims” I denounce are extremists — name an exception. Your columns dance on the edge of libel, and you deserve to be called to account in court.

    Suleyman Schwartz Centre for Islamic Pluralism

  • TS

    Stephen Schwartz, The only ignoramus here is you. It is ironic how you can work for the Centre of Islamic Pluralism and yet alienate the ‘ulemah and Muslims in general by discrediting worthy scholars and trying to character assassinate them at every given opportunity. Why don’t you do everyone a favour and tell people what your true objective is or maybe it is simply jealousy of scholars who are far superior than yourself.

  • AM

    After having a look at your response Yusuf’s website, I decided to investigate your writings and background.

    I find your writing to be totally ill informed and ignorant and down-right childish. I find it hard to believe that you have not concocted lies deliberately. You say you are against wahabism, so am I, as a follower of a sufi Sheik, I say Islam is the essence of sufism and sufism is the essence of Islam but I find you hiding behind pseudo-sufism as a thin veil to attack mainstream muslims. Just because some decides to disagree with your bigoted view of muslims, it does not automatically render him an extremist rather Mr Schwartz it seems that you are extreme in your view and all mainstream muslims disagree with your childish rantings.

    Your “Centre of Muslim Pluralism” is a joke, a couple of guys with a shoddy website is not a centre. The only saving grace you have is that you have a picture of our beloved Sufi Sheikh Muhammad Alawi alMaliki al Makki. It should be renamed “Centre of narrow minded bigots”.

    You said “I have not published anything with Frontpagemag for several years” that is no excuse whatsoever, that magazine is one of the most extreme magazines spreading filth and lies that most normal, mainstream and moderate consider it farcical.

    “The only “prominent Muslims” I denounce are extremists” please stop lying, this is a total and absolute lie. Please, for the Love of God crawl out of your hole and see the truth for what it really is if you think your are sincere…. otherwise stop lying!

  • http://www.islamicpluralism.eu Suleyman Schwartz

    Selamaleykum

    So the great jahil mentor, Matthew “Yusuf” Smith, crawled out of his hole and under his own name, published a ridiculous statement on his blog. Suddenly he has acquired the courage to identify himself! Alhamdulillah!

    You wrote “Schwartz claims that all the prominent Muslims he has attacked are extremist; most significantly for us, they include Shaikh Hamza Yusuf. Schwartz has, in the past, claimed that Shaikh Hamza was an extremist before 9/11 and usually cites a speech he gave called “Why Jihad is the Only Way”. Has anyone got a transcript or MP3 of that speech?

    “I would like to ask if anyone has some arguments to anything Schwartz might accuse Shaikh Hamza of, or anyone who would be willing to testify, if it comes to that.

    “Also, who are his other targets, particularly scholars but not only, and does anyone have anything that might be given as evidence that they are not extremists?”

    In other words, you, the big jahil, made accusations against me without evidence, based on my comments about Handsome Hanson, the so-called adviser of Bush, but you never heard the speech by Hanson, and you have to beg for others to bring it to you. Then you, the jahil, are reduced to asking for other arguments of mine against Hanson or anyone else “willing to testify,” and pleading that other targets be identified, and begging for “anything that might be given as evidence.”

    In other words, you, the jahil, issued charges against me without knowledge of anything, and were also too lazy to look up my writings, and are now frightened and ask for support. This is the essence of libel, in that it shows malicious, reckless disregard for the truth.

    Oh, and how impressive to see that you jahils have the support of loudmouth slob Masud Khan! Wow, what a lineup! And you even quote Aftab Malik, another munafiq!

    I feel like someone who is told that an ant has crawled over his shoe. You are not worth dealing with. You are vastly inflated windbags. Rave on, morons.

    I said you deserve to be called to account, and you cried like a little girl. That’s satisfaction enough for me. Allah knows best.

    Suleyman Schwartz

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  • UmmS

    I see that poor Mr. Schwartz has got his turban in a veritable twist. Not only is he isolated and irrelevant, he is being exposed as such. That must hurt!

    Don’t worry dear Mr. Schwartz, soon you will gone and forgotten (like the rest of us), pushing up daisies towards the sky, and no longer in worldly pain.

    The services of Masud Khan and Aftab Malik to the mainstream Sunni way will live on, however, and will stand them in good stead in the aforementioned ‘pushing up daisies’ stage.

    I must confess, it is many years since I heard a grown man use such childish insults! I must have a sheltered existence!

    Keep up the good work Bro Yusuf! Good to see you having a salutary effect!

  • DrM

    Methinks Comrade Sandalio doth protest a bit too much…

  • NP

    As an occasional reader of this blog I was disturbed by what are surely the ugliest comments I’ve read on any blog.

    Mr Schwartz, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself, for your disgraceful, vile manners. How disgusting.

    Clearly you are willing to sink to shocking depths, name calling and backbiting and even going to the extent of labeling people munafiqs. Fear Allah and stop embarrassing yourself.

    If you had any shame you would remove mention of the likes of the great Shaykh ‘Alawi al-Maliki (rh) from your site, for not wanting anyone who doesn’t know better to associate your disgusting manners with a great man such as him.

    Anyone can claim sufism, but many out of sense of shame and reverence for the way of sufism would not stake such claims knowing that they fall far short of spiritual purity. Don’t dirty the name of sufism and it’s true adherents by associating your vile manners to it.

  • kp

    Mr Scwartz Obviously you are not aware that Sh Alawi had the greatest of love for Hamza Yusuf whome he had met over many years prior to knowing you. Highly disturbing to read what you have read as a psychologist of 15 years. It is sad but your articles are being used in many universities to highlight poor journalism in America and the UK.

  • http://muridslog.blogspot.com Khalid Williams

    Mr Schwartz

    The ‘loudmouth slob’, the ‘munafiq’ and ‘Handsome Hanson’ have together been as responsible as anyone else in the English-speaking world for guiding people away from extremist Islam into the arms of true Sunni Islam. What have you done for this religion? Allah indeed does know best.

  • http://tahseen.co.uk tc

    “I have not published anything with Frontpagemag for several years”

    That falls far short of regret for having been published in Frontpagemag at all.

    An intentional non-statement?

    Who can tell, for quality of expression isn’t a Schwartz forte.

  • Adam Ibn Bob

    Maash’allah. I love you guys. All except Schwartz for obvious reasons.