Bombay attacks may have been by Mafia

Misha Glenny, a noted author of books on the underworld, suggests that the Bombay-Karachi mafia known as “D-Company” may have been involved in last week’s attacks, as they were in earlier bombings. The “kingpin” is a guy called Dawood Ibrahim, who controls a syndicate based out of Karachi, who organised the 1993 bombings in response to communal riots the year before, which killed 900 people, two thirds of them Muslims, and a number of his associates were killed or had property damaged. Then, he bribed Indian port officials; the same looks to be the case here:

The Mumbai attacks were not about global jihad. The attacks on foreign tourists at the Taj and the Oberoi, and on the Lubavitch centre, were designed to secure maximum publicity - a strategy that worked splendidly. Yet the roots of this nightmarish event are to be found elsewhere: in the deterioration in relations between Hindus and Muslims in Mumbai and India since the late 1980s, and in regional relations between India and Pakistan.

The operational key to the Mumbai attacks, however, is almost certainly held by D-Company, the sprawling and hugely effective organised criminal syndicate that is steered from the Pakistani port city of Karachi by the most powerful figure in Mumbai’s fabled underworld, Dawood Ibrahim. It is virtually impossible that Dawood was unaware of the preparation of the attack, given the D-Company’s extensive intelligence network (which in several past instances has proved more effective than the Indian state’s intelligence capacity).

India’s security services have begun investigating Dawood’s possible role in the attack because he controls most of the smuggling routes into India’s great commercial centre. In 1993, he put his network at the disposal of the ISI, Pakistan’s intelligence service, to let it smuggle in huge amounts of the explosive RDX …

Sasool Dock, where a dozen or so of the attackers landed, is one of the port areas under D-Company’s control. In the 1993 attacks, Dawood was able to land the RDX at night because he corrupted police officials responsible for monitoring the coast in Mumbai and its environs. If Dawood’s role in the recent attacks is confirmed, it is highly likely that officials will again have been paid to turn a blind eye.

Meanwhile, Melanie Phillips is still singing from the “global jihad” hymn sheet, entirely predictably (she need not write columns anymore; her opinions are so predictable that a committee could write them on her behalf). She insists that an “obscure” Jewish centre was targeted “because hatred of Jews as Jews is fundamental to the Islamists’ hatred of the west - and of Israel”, and ends with this flourish:

If they can do this in Mumbai, they can do it in London or other British cities; the infrastructure of Islamist terror is more extensively developed in Britain, and the authorities more paralysed in the face of what they have allowed to grow in their midst, than anywhere else in the west.

Well, the fact that London doesn’t a short boat ride from Karachi is a problem there, as is the fact that the UK has no well-organised Muslim criminal syndicates (a few drug dealers here and there, that’s all), and because our officials are probably wealthier than those in India, and thus less easy to bribe. Silly cow.

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  1. Guru says:

    There’s also some talk of the Pakistani military or ISI being behind the attacks, of course without the knowledge or blessings of Zardari’s government. You might wonder why? To continue hostilities and force the Zardari government to re-evaluate Pakistani government spending on the military etc.

  2. Thersites says:

    ” an “obscure” Jewish centre was targeted “because hatred of Jews as Jews is fundamental to the Islamists’ hatred of the west - and of Israel”, “

    Well, why did the murderers attack an obscure jewish centre when there were plenty of other more immediately appealing targets if they were inspired by Indian communal hatred? The obvious explanation is that they hated jews and considered any jews, however obscure, fair game.

  3. DrM says:

    Perhaps b/c Jews are a part of the diamond trade. Zionist Jews have a long history of false flag attacks even against their own to frame their enemies. Regardless notice therShites once again comes to the aid of zionism at any opportunity. Shabbos Goyism at work…

  4. George Carty says:

    What’s diamonds got to do with anything, DrM.

    Perhaps, since it’s well known that the Jihadist International hates Jews, attackers of a different type (such as the Muslim mobsters suggested in this posting) may have decided to attack Jews in order to disguise their true identity.

  5. DrM says:

    Diamonds have a lot to do with it, George. “Jihadist International” as you call it has no love for zionists, but wont go to so much trouble to get a handful of Jews in India. The whole thing was a false flag. There’s plenty of revealing details emerging in the Hindi and Urdu press which may eventually make it to the English press. Indians are not as gullible as yanks and brits.

  6. Thersites says:

    You’d better stop taking the tablets or start taking the tablets, Dr Mabuse. It would be wise to ask someone else to prescribe them too.

    What makes you think that Chabas Lubavich are zionists? What makes you think that they have any connexion with diamonds? What makes you think that “D-Company”- whether or not it is connected with this atrocity- has anything to do with diamonds either? Is your suggestion that this is a “false flag” zionist plot to discredit muslims an attempt to conceal the fact that you are actually an ultra-zionist agent trying to portray muslims as stupid and paranoiac bigots? The most effective argument against this is the fact that only someone who actually believed it wouldbe able to invent the nonsense you come up with.

  7. DrM says:

    Wrong on all counts as usual, therShites. Its good to see you remain as feeble minded as ever, not to mention disingenuously stupid. Chabad Lubovich are messianic zionists(they just don’t care for secular version of the movement). I’m not going to hold our paw to give you an entire history lesson. Diamonds, and drugs are just a tiny part of the bigger picture. False flag attacks is standard operating procedure for zionists ala “but way of deception.” Whether is the Lavon affair or USS Liberty, the list goes on and on. BJP, RSS, Bajrang Dal, VHP have conducted plenty of those before and were caught red handed with bombs like impersonating Muslims. Funny how the Mumbai anti-terrorist chief gets killed after months of being pressured to drop charges against these terrorist groups.You know even less about India and its geopolitics, internal and external. There is more then enough evidence emerging in the Indian press exposing the Mumbai plot. The tough and difficult questions are not going away. As I’ve said before, Indians are not gullible as yanks and brits. Not the sort of criminals who fabricate wmd lies to attack nations and target their natural resources, and the idiots who believe them. In your particular case, its claiming that Palestinians destroy their own ambulances to make Israeli hell fire missles look bad. Get back on your medications and leave the discussion to the adults, troll.

  8. Thersites says:

    “Chabad Lubovich are messianic zionists(they just don’t care for secular version of the movement). ” So they aren’t zionists in practise. If they’re waiting for the messiah to restore the Kingdom of Israel they’re going to wait for ever- or do you expect His imminent arrival too?

    ” Diamonds, and drugs are just a tiny part of the bigger picture. ” However, you still haven’t shown that there is a “bigger picture” except in your imagination.

    “False flag attacks is standard operating procedure for zionists … BJP, RSS, Bajrang Dal, VHP have conducted plenty of those before and were caught red handed with bombs like impersonating Muslims.” Like muslims impersonating what? Are you saying that extremist hindus are disguised zionists, or extremist zionists are disguised hindus or that they are all part of the same “bigger picture”? If so, just what is the “bigger picture”?

    “Funny how the Mumbai anti-terrorist chief gets killed after months of being pressured to drop charges against these terrorist groups.” Well, no: if he had resisted powerful pressure to drop charges it would be consistent with reports that he was killed “leading fom the front” against other terrorists.

    “You know even less about India and its geopolitics, internal and external. ” I know even less than who?

    “As I’ve said before, Indians are not gullible as yanks and brits. ” Hardly; they are every bit as gullible. It’s just that they strain at different gnats and swallow different camels.

    “In your particular case, its claiming that Palestinians destroy their own ambulances to make Israeli hell fire missles look bad.” Telling lies again, Dr Mabuse? You may think you’re religiously entitled to- or even obliged to- but even you should have realised that it doesn’t work in purely practical terms by now.

  9. George Carty says:

    False flag attacks would be at their most effective in a three-way conflict (they’re not believable enough in a two-way conflict). For example there was a neo-Nazi terrorist group in France which pretended to be an extreme Zionist group. It called itself the “Masada Action and Defense Movement” and attacked Arab targets, leaving Islamophobic leaflets bearing Stars of David at the scenes of its bombings.

    I wonder if jihadists in the Subcontinent have run campaigns against organized crime (as PAGAD did in South Africa)? That may have given mobsters (Muslim or otherwise) reason to carry out a false flag attack framing them.

    By the way, I don’t think Mossad would operate much in the Subcontinent. The main thing which makes them so strong in the West is help from local Jewish communities. That’s why I don’t think that Israeli involvement in the assassination of General Zia al-Haq is plausible (it’s more likely the KGB did it to avenge their defeat in Afghanistan).

  10. Thersites says:

    “That may have given mobsters (Muslim or otherwise) reason to carry out a false flag attack framing them.” Less unlikely with bombs than gunmen though: mobsters are willing to risk death but they are not eager to meet their maker whereas believers look forward to receiving personal congratulations from him.

    “That’s why I don’t think that Israeli involvement in the assassination of General Zia al-Haq is plausible (it’s more likely the KGB did it to avenge their defeat in Afghanistan).” ….and yet more likely- just as many varied motives and many more opportunities- to be Pakistanis and even more likely to be an accident. Accidents are the most common cause of aeroplane crashes. They’re more boring as causes though.

  11. Drm says:

    “So they aren’t zionists in practise. If they’re waiting for the messiah to restore the Kingdom of Israel they’re going to wait for ever- or do you expect His imminent arrival too?”

    Wrong as usual. We can now add “lack of English comprehension” to your long list of deficiencies therShites. The Chabad Lubovich are zionists(ask any of the hilltop settler scum running about in the occupied territories), and theres no way you can style it out as otherwise. I’m not the one living 5000 years int he past thinking God is my real estate agent, so why ask the zionists you drool over that question. Not that I expect a spineless racist like you who thinks that Palestinians blow up their own ambulances to make Israeli hellfire missles look bad to have that sort of fortitude.

    The Chabad Lubivistchers have been implicated in a string of criminal activities around the globe - from money laundering to Ecstacy manufacturing and muling to diamond smuggling to immigrant labor violations at their now bankrupt medieval abattoir in Postville, Ohio.Lubavitchers have put together a network that is incomparable for corporate and international espionage as well as for the secret exchange of information. Because Chabad Houses could potentially act as safe houses, where there would be no record of a person’s stay, the Lubavitcher outreach network is far superior to that of Aish HaTorah for covert operations. Nor is it coincidental that the RSS, VHP Hindutva brigade and judeofascists are on excellent terms. Since they don’t proselytize, nor do they minister to Indian Jews(most of whom are in Israel), I’m curious what exactly do they mean when they claim to be doing God’s work in Mumbai. Catching up on the latest bollywood flicks?

    Among the many people killed in Mumbai last week were some of the City’s top anti-terror peace officers. Hemant Karkare, head of India’s Anti-Terrorism Squad, was the most notable figure to be killed in action, and his story is doubly significant, because he was in the middle of unraveling a False Flag terror attack(despite threats from the VHP and RSS), (which occurred on September 29, 2008), and was initially blamed on Muslims, such as the “Students Islamic Movement of India” (SIMI) or the “Indian Mujahideen”. Turned out it was RSS, Shive Sena types who were behind it. Good thing theres more evidence emerging in the Hindi and Urdu press, which will eventually find its way in the English papers.

    You’d be out of your depth in a parking lot pudding, therShites. And yes, yanks and brits are gullible lemmings(just scream “al-queda and all is well) compared to Indians. Go back to watching “the temple of Doom” for your knowledge of South Asian geopolitics, troll.

  12. Thersites says:

    “The Chabad Lubovich are zionists(ask any of the hilltop settler scum running about in the occupied territories), and theres no way you can style it out as otherwise.” I’m not the one who styled it otherwise. You made the distinction yourself: “Chabad Lubovich are messianic zionists”. Messianic zionists expect the restoration of the kingdom of Israel when the messiah returns and not before, don’t they? It may be a rather eccentric belief, even by muslim standards, but it doesn’t require its adherents to set about restoring the kingdom immediately.

    “you who thinks that Palestinians blow up their own ambulances to make Israeli hellfire missles look bad to have that sort of fortitude.” You can’t even think up new lies, can you, Dr. Mabuse?

    “The Chabad Lubivistchers have been implicated in a string of criminal activities around the globe ” Do you mean some Chabad Lubivistchers or all Chabad Lubivistchers? I could equally truly say the muslims have been implicated in a string of criminal activities around the globe or the christians have been implicated in a string of criminal activities around the globe. The interesting questions are, how many? Were they criminals who happened to ostensibly belong to a particular religion or did they claim their acts weren’t crimes because they were inspired by that religion? What support did they have from their co-religionists? Apart from that, “implicated” is a very handy word- it has all sorts of… implications, shall we say?… to it. It could mean “were involved in” or it could mean “were involved in according to a deranged quacksalve”. Which is it here? What’s the evidence? How many convictions have there been?

  13. anonyman says:

    LOL DrM. You’re latest comment is pretty msimilar to ones you left on Altmuslim in which it was shown by another commenter that you are blatantly plagiarizing portions of your comments literally word for word from other sources. If you’re too stupid and lazy to think up you’re own ridiculous conspiracy theories you should at least do everyone the courtesy of linking to where you copy and paste other people’s ideas from. I really don’t think authors’ of articles appreciate people (you) trying to pass off their ideas as your own

  14. DrM says:

    Wrong, “anonyman.” My guess is you’re one of the handful of jewish idiots active on Muslim sites to stifle any criticism of Israel. Sgmiller or Solomon2, perhaps? Both of these zionist scabs got their behinds handed to them by me, nor could they refute a single point I raised. I feel your pain, Shlomo. I haven’t cut and pasted anything, so I would put down the Habara crack pipe down if I were you. You and therShites would make a wonderful pair of crutches together. Alan Dershowitz can help ou with plagiarism anyday. Back to the burning question, what were Chabad lubovichers(despite therShites attempts to zero on spelling errors, which shows how desperate he is) doing in Mumbai? Strutting their stuff with their gangster fedoras in a Bollywood music video, perhaps?

  15. Thersites says:

    What precisely is a gangster fedora, Dr. Mabuse? How does it differ from a non-gangster fedora or agangster non-fedora? Have you looked at Chabad lubovicher web-sites, or simply asked Chabad lubovichers what they are doing in Bombay? They might tell you if you’re polite, if you’re capable of being polite. One obvious explanation is that a member of the Chabad lubovich happened to be working in Bombay for other reasons and set up a centre where they worked. What spelling mistakes am I supposed to have zeroed on? Perhaps you confuse spelling errors with errors of logic. The “burning question” is not “what were Chabad lubovichers doing in Mumbai?” but what reasons are there for thinking the recent atrocities were a false-flag operation by as-yet-unspecified people. First of all, who is supposed to have organised the false-flag operation? You have spouted claims about zionists, hindus and Chabad lubovichers and Chabad lubovichers’ alleged criminal rivals, but you haven’t actually produced any evidence but your own assertions as to which- if any- separately or in collaboration carried them out. You have also disregarded the cogent arguments against these being false-flag attacks: the way they were carried out and the requirements of the perpetrators. Planting bombs and leaving them to go off would be the most obvious and easiest kind of false-flag operation; curiously, no-one seems to have alleged that the 1993 bombings were false-flag operations. Next would be either sending out agents who had a convincing back-history as fanatical muslims who were willing to kill themselves for just this purpose or planting bombs on uninvolved muslims in apparent suicide bombings. This would be more difficult- the bomb-carriers would need to be convincing as self-sacrificing fanatics to begin with and there’s the possibility that they might twig something and abandon the bombs or that a bomb might fail and they go to a policeman not involved in the plot. Finally, there is what happened in Bombay if you are right. Well-trained and dedicated and skilled people who could sustain the impression that they were muslims went out seeking targets to kill over a long period. How do you explain this as a false-flag operation, Dr Mabuse? Do you claim that the zionists and/or the hindus and/or the Chabad lubovichers set up a false terrorist training school and recruited foolish and gullible muslims to carry out these and other attacks- because to make it look convincing they would have to have an apparent roll-over of trainee martyrs? Or do you claim that the zionists and/or the hindus and/or the Chabad lubovichers could find a set of people willing to impersonate muslim fanatics, even though they themselves were zionists and/or hindus and/or Chabad lubovichers and to die pretending to be muslim fanatics? These people would have to be so skilled and well-trained that they could even convincingly sustain the pretence if they were not killed but captured and questioned afterwards as happened here. Such qualities are so rare and useful that they would certainly not be wasted on such comparatively trivial activities as happened in Bombay when casually-planted bombs would be every bit as effectively lethal with much less chance of going wrong and without involving the deaths of agents of astonishing courage, dedication and skill. Or do you claim that it was some other kind of false-flag operation? If so, please explain exactly how it was carried out.

  16. anonyman says:

    What in god’s name are you talking about DrM. Based on my questioning of your plagiarized comment you automatically assume I’m a zionist, a Jew, or both? You are truly bizarre.

    “I haven’t copied and pasted anything…” The link that you copied half your comment from was posted in the comments section over there. And yes, you did indeed copy from the article word for word without linking. I can’t believe you’re actually trying to deny it. Again, truly bizarre is all I can say

  17. DrM says:

    Looks like my last comment didn’t get it posted. Lucky for your therShites. Keep recycling the same old tired denials. You’re a joke without a punchline. “anonyman,” quit playing games, poor fellow. You’re sgmiller, the zionist troll being ridiculed on altmuslim by eveyone who can see through your agenda. Hardly bizarre, yet pathetic as ever Now little trolls, care to tell what the Chabad Lubovich were doing in Mumbai?

  18. Thersites says:

    Come on, Dr Mabuse, liar by [self]-appointment, what is the evidence that the Bombay bombings were false flag operations or that Chabad Lubovich are anything but another bunch of religious maniacs?

  19. DrM says:

    Wrong as ever, therShites. I’ve made my case, and your attempts to deny facts and figures only exposes you further for the desperate zionist shill that you are. Lets try this again : What were Chabad Lubovich doing in Mumbai?

  20. George Carty says:

    DrM, can’t you save your venom for the real extreme Islamophobes?

    I can’t imagine Thersites being the type of person who’d link to LGF, Faithfreedom.org or Gates of Vienna…

  21. Thersites says:

    You have provided no facts to support your case, Dr. Mabuse. Your case is that you don’t know what members of Chabad Lubovich were doing in Bombay; therefore the attacks in Bombay were a false flag operation.

  22. tarique says:

    it was done for diamond trade and mossad is heavily involved in it . the indian cops know everything very well yet they do not want a diplomatic blunder involving israel and america . lev leview is involved in bomb blasts on indian diamond traders right from mumbai to delhi . indian diamond trader bharat shah is also involved along with dawood ibrahim and pakistan ISI .

  23. Thersites says:

    Do you have any evidence for your claims, Tarique?

  24. tarique says:

    thersites i advise u to do a microscopic study of the blast sites in mumbai,ahmedabad, akshardham , jaipur and delhi . all have one thing in common………DIAMOND TRADE . all these attacks sites were linked to the international diamond trade . the mossad invested heavily in diamond trade through the dominant lubavitcher jews , till the palanpuri jains of india shattered their monopoly from tel aviv to antwerp to new york .

  25. Thersites says:

    Have you done a microscopic study of the blast sites in mumbai,ahmedabad, akshardham , jaipur and delhi, Tarique? How do you know the indian cops know everything very well? There are a few web-sites repeating your claims, yet none of them produce any evidence, none cite any sources and all share idiosyncracies of spelling and language.

  26. tarique says:

    thersites , the mumbai attacks is linked to rough diamond mining giants DTC (DIAMOND TRADING COMPANY ), which is a family company of polished giant retailers de beers . DTC , de beers , rio tinto are all linked to ‘diamond terrorism’ in the form of genocides on tribals in mining regions to bomb blasts and terrorist attacks worldwide for profiteering .i will soon be providing u enough links on my claims to satisfy ur doubts .

  27. tarique says:

    if u trust my research ask for more links .

  28. Thersites says:

    …And, Tarique? Of your posts, one is a news report made in 2003, referring to earlier attacks, one is from Jakarta, and none of them give any evidence to support your claim that ” the mumbai attacks is linked to rough diamond mining giants DTC (DIAMOND TRADING COMPANY ), which is a family company of polished giant retailers de beers” or RTZ. How do you account for the trial of Ajmal Kasab now taking place in Mumbai, and the very convincing testimony provided there from a variety of sources or the evidence that the attacks were organised by a jihadist organisation based in Pakistan?

  29. tarique says:

    thersites , the 2003 link was an earlier failed attempt to blow up taj hotel and an attack on the jewellery market of zaveri bazar .the jakarta reference is to show the common links between 26/11 taj hotel attacks and marriot and ritz carlton in jakarta , both involved mining giants like DTC and rio tinto . the print and the visual media is quick to point out the ‘jihadi’ links but avoids mention of mining giants and bomb blasts locations where rough diamonds are polished .why ? who told people like u that there are only jihadists living in pakistan ? does pakistan not have organized crime and mafia groups like rest of the world ? is pakistan not suffering from a corporate genocide in swat valley and mingora and genocide on the lines of congo and sierra leone or the naxalite belts of india ? the trial of ajmal qasab is a big ‘farce’ on the lines of gitmo bay trial of 9/11 . the qasab trial is being fought on the lines of liberation of kashmir being the sole reason to attack mumbai .are u aware that the telephonic conversation between the terrorists and their handlers was provided by FBI based on the (voip) voice over internet protocol server based in new jersey in america , from the callfhonex company services ? why are these facts not provided to the viewers when these tapes are played all over the media ? and we all know who controls the media………rupert murdoch and his family friends and relatives like the rio tinto owner rothschild .

  30. tarique says:

    http://www.shmais.com/pages.cfm?page=chabaddetail&ID=544 A LINK TO NARIMAN HOUSE BASED CHABAD LUBAVITCHER JEWS LINKS TO THE POWERFUL DIAMOND INDUSTRY OF ALROSA DIAMOND COMPANY BOSS LEV LEVIEV

  31. tarique says:

    http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/03/world/fg-israelis3 A link about a 52 year old diamond trader escaping the nariman house by using the water pipes and how autopsies were not performed on the dead hostages leaving even israeli medical experts in doubt .

  32. tarique says:

    http://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/783318/jewish/Survivors-Recount-Mumbai-Ordeal.htm a link about two chabad lubavitch diamond traders stranded in the mumbai 5 star hotels after visiting the nariman house a few days before.

  33. tarique says:

    ask for more if u r still a doubting thomas

  34. tarique says:

    http://www.rediff.com/cms/print.jsp?docpath=//news/2006/jul/15blasts.htm link to the diamond trade angle in mumbai commuter train blasts

  35. tarique says:

    now mr thersites , if u r interested ask for more links on the DTC , DE BEERS ,RIO TINTO , links to the diamond mining regions of india e.g. chandrapur and gadchiroli in maharashtra , chhatarpur and panna in madhya pradesh , devbhog and maad in chhatisgarh . a regions that is infested with deadly ar,med naxals and maoists who have gunned down more than 1400 policemen and paramilitary forces in the last few years . the civilian and police death tolls in recent times is ten times bigger than kashmir valley and it goes unreported because the ‘rich and the famous’ are part of this ‘axis of evil’.

  36. tarique says:

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1979678/rabbisarrestedformoneylaundering_pg2.html a link to chabad lubavitcher rabbis arrested in new york and new jersey for illegal money laundering for diamond trade business.

  37. tarique says:

    http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/south-asia/assams-jackie-also-helped-baby-moshe-escape-nariman-house_100132317.html the muslim cook of the nariman house employed with the jews stood his ground till the very end instead of running away with fear.

  38. tarique says:

    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-122455117.html a link where the FBI and 9/11 commisson report is in denial mode on the twin tower attacks on sept.11 .

  39. tarique says:

    is in denial mode on the ‘diamond terrorism’ links

  40. tarique says:

    thersites ,r u aware that home minister p.chidambaram and national security advisor m.k.narayanan are on the board od directors list of a major UK based group ‘vedanta mining ‘.

  41. Thersites says:

    Tarique, you seem to have forgotten. This is what claimed to be true: it was done for diamond trade and mossad is heavily involved in it . the indian cops know everything very well yet they do not want a diplomatic blunder involving israel and america . lev leview is involved in bomb blasts on indian diamond traders right from mumbai to delhi . indian diamond trader bharat shah is also involved along with dawood ibrahim and pakistan ISI.

    Just stick to that, will you?

  42. tarique says:

    thersites , i have provided enough links to match my claims……it is none of my problems if u r a ‘dumbhead’ or in a denial mode . the mumbai nariman house is a ultra orthodox jew centre funded by lev leviev that provides services like ‘kosher’ meals and rooom service for israeli diamond traders who visit mumbai regularly .dawood and bharat shah are members or sightholders of DTC and rio tinto through b.vijaykumar and d’damas or damas . bharat shah is a direct member while dawood through his gujrati cronies .if u want me to provide the exact details or the inside story in a sequence ,then i m sorry it is not practically possibble . i have provided enough clues to culprits in the mumbai attacks . i m looking for investigators who can put all this in a straight sequence . i m sticking to everything i said….it is u who is on a slippery slope .

  43. tarique says:

    thersites ,i guess u have not been reading my links carefully. they point out to a common link of mining and rough diamond exploration and their polishing centres being the target of major terrorist attacks worldwide .all these facts go unreported in the media mostly, only ‘jihadi’ links shown in overblown proportion .take the case of the train blasts in madrid that killed 191 innocents and left thousands handicapped . most of those arrested for the crime were moslems,yet as the trial progressed and new evidence is emerging ,most moslem suspects are being set free . the new arrests that are coming in are local spanish mining workers and there is enough evidence that they provided the explosives,and it was related to the stakes of the mining profits of the madrid natural resources .

  44. Thersites says:

    “the mumbai nariman house is a ultra orthodox jew centre funded by lev leviev that provides services like ‘kosher’ meals and rooom service for israeli diamond traders who visit mumbai regularly .”

    Then why did men allegedly organised by Mossad attack it?

    “dawood and bharat shah are members or sightholders of DTC and rio tinto through b.vijaykumar and d’damas or damas . bharat shah is a direct member while dawood through his gujrati cronies .”

    And RTz specialises in metal ore mining. An entirely different area to diamond mining, using different methods with different markets.

    “if u want me to provide the exact details or the inside story in a sequence ,then i m sorry it is not practically possibble . i have provided enough clues to culprits in the mumbai attacks . i m looking for investigators who can put all this in a straight sequence . i m sticking to everything i said….it is u who is on a slippery slope .”

    In other words you have no evidence for your claims and you hope someone else will find it. Putting two links next to one another does not mean that there is a connexion between them. You have posted references so mining, to diamonds, to jews. You have not provided any evidence that there is any unifying connexion.

    “all these facts go unreported in the media mostly, only ‘jihadi’ links shown in overblown proportion .take the case of the train blasts in madrid that killed 191 innocents and left thousands handicapped . most of those arrested for the crime were moslems,yet as the trial progressed and new evidence is emerging ,most moslem suspects are being set free .”

    As the investigation progressed some suspects were cleared and several more were found guilty on overwhelming evience and imprisoned for life. Others reisited arrest and blew themselves up.

    ” the new arrests that are coming in are local spanish mining workers and there is enough evidence that they provided the explosives,and it was related to the stakes of the mining profits of the madrid natural resources .”

    The miners provided the explosives to the people who planted the bombs. How, precisely, did the mining companies- which operate a long way from Madrid- benefit or profit from their employees’ decision to steal explosives and sell them to a bunch of murderous nutters? The reason why the murderers bought explosives from moners was simple- that’s where explosives are easily available. I’m surprised you on’t maintain that it was India’s car-makers who were behind the Bombay attack- after all, most of the dead were at a railway station so people will be put off travelling by train in future and will buy cars instead. Or perhaps it was the Hilton Hotel chain disposing of one of their rivals. There’s as much evidence for either as there is for your claims.

  45. tarique says:

    the mossad angle is based on a ‘gangwar among diamond cartels’. i did not specifically say anywhere that nariman house was mossad , but mossad involvement is there as there were many jew diamond traders and DTC executive miss varda shine had a two year stint with the mossad .she was present in taj hotel ,left the hotel 15 minutes before the attacks began . and who told u that rio tinto is not into diamonds…….who owns argyle diamonds ? coming back to madrid ,u need to be reminded that the moslem man arrested as the mastermind of the plot has been declared innocent and the other moslems have a weak case ,based on mere suspicion . it is now confirmed that none of them will face a death penalty for the dastardly madrid bombings . so thersites , kindly do not try to twist facts ,and help the world see the truth about the evils unleashed by mining firms .how can u describe the common mining links in madrid,mumbai, 9/11 ,kenyan embassy bombing ,jakarta ,bali,etc……is it a mere coincidence ?

  46. tarique says:

    thersites , can u travel to another country without a valid passport ? nanny sandra who worked as a cook and babysitter did not have any passport while working in the nariman house .she was an indian citizen and a prime witness to the attacks at the chabad centre . yet she traveled to israel without a passport and became an israeli citizen in a matter of 72 hours after the attacks ? can u explain this step by the indian and israeli authorities ?

  47. tarique says:

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=329260&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y a link from a israeli daily linking a jew diamond dealer to a suspected terrorist plan in america , arrested by FBI .

  48. Thersites says:

    Make up your mind, Tarique. Were the bombings inspired by a ‘gangwar among diamond cartels’ or a concpiracy by diamond cartels? If mossad was involved, why was Nariiman House bombed? My apologies about RTZ. They are mainly involved in mineral ore mining, not entirely. The fact that the supposed mastermind of the Madrid bomings was not convicted is surely evidnece against your claim that there was a conspiracy. There is a simple reason why no-one was senrenced to death; the death penalty was abolished in Spain in 1995. Of the people convicted, most are Arabs, convicted of actually doing the bombing; those Spaniards were miners from Asturias- rather a long way from Madrid, in fact- convicted of supplying the explosives.

    It ir perfectly simple to travel to another country without a passport; I do do several times a year. Even with countries that require passports at borders, a passport is simply a means for someone to identify themselves at a border. In the case of Sandra Samuels she was saved an israeli citizen, Moishe Hottzberg, and was regarded as the person best suited to look after him in the future. There were no doubts about her identity, she was a guest of the Israeli government travelling with the knowledge of the indian government and so there was no need for a passport. I asked above: Planting bombs and leaving them to go off would be the most obvious and easiest kind of false-flag operation; curiously, no-one seems to have alleged that the 1993 bombings were false-flag operations. Next would be either sending out agents who had a convincing back-history as fanatical muslims who were willing to kill themselves for just this purpose or planting bombs on uninvolved muslims in apparent suicide bombings. This would be more difficult- the bomb-carriers would need to be convincing as self-sacrificing fanatics to begin with and there’s the possibility that they might twig something and abandon the bombs or that a bomb might fail and they go to a policeman not involved in the plot. Finally, there is what happened in Bombay if you are right. Well-trained and dedicated and skilled people who could sustain the impression that they were muslims went out seeking targets to kill over a long period. How do you explain this as a false-flag operation, Dr Mabuse? Do you claim that the zionists and/or the hindus and/or the Chabad lubovichers set up a false terrorist training school and recruited foolish and gullible muslims to carry out these and other attacks- because to make it look convincing they would have to have an apparent roll-over of trainee martyrs? Or do you claim that the zionists and/or the hindus and/or the Chabad lubovichers could find a set of people willing to impersonate muslim fanatics, even though they themselves were zionists and/or hindus and/or Chabad lubovichers and to die pretending to be muslim fanatics? These people would have to be so skilled and well-trained that they could even convincingly sustain the pretence if they were not killed but captured and questioned afterwards as happened here. Such qualities are so rare and useful that they would certainly not be wasted on such comparatively trivial activities as happened in Bombay when casually-planted bombs would be every bit as effectively lethal with much less chance of going wrong and without involving the deaths of agents of astonishing courage, dedication and skill. Or do you claim that it was some other kind of false-flag operation?

    Dr Mabuse could not answer these important questions which have to be answered if the attacks were not the responsibility of the obvious suspects. Can you provide better answeers

  49. tarique says:

    thersites ,first u refused to believe the ‘diamond terrorism’ thory ,and now after u r cornered by useful links to ‘diamond terrorism’ facts u r trying to put dr mabuse’s words in my mouth . most right wing leaning blogs do the same as u after they are put in their place and their anti moslem theories are proven fake by me. and u r avoiding my important question……..the common mining and rough diamond factor in 9/11 , kenya ,tanzania,bali,indonesia ,mumbai to delhi blasts ,madrid ?is madrid not a mining region ? and do not ignore that sandra samuel was a prime witness and an indian citizen in nariman house . the baby could have been loooked after by expert israeli babysitters . her presence in india in the case was more important than anything else .how can u allow a prime witness of ur country to go away in 72 hours of the attack ?u apologised for rio tinto ……..u will offer more apologies as the debate goes on .try to live life as a honest person coz that is the only thing that will bring u peace in ur end days . i have no personal gains from this argument . i love and respect all religions and faith and i m proud to say with full self belief that global terrorism is not linked to any single religion or faith of this world . global terrorism is purely profits and politics ,big corporates and big banks . global terrorism is beyond the financial capacity of religious leaders alone unless the banks and corporates don’t come in .i advise u to watch the english movie ‘charlie wilson’s war ’ starring tom hanks and julia roberts . the movie will drive some sense in ur brains how the foundation stone of ‘global jihad’ was laid….who funded it……who gained from it . one reason why moslems and islam are linked to global terrorism is that a great number of moslem majority nations from total 57 nations ,sit on the largest chunk of natural oil reserves and expensive mining wealth .this does not mean other faiths are not suffering like the moslems . sri lanka suffered a blooodiest 3 decade long war among hindus and buddhists coz it was sitting on a large gemstone reserve . aceh in indonesia is facing a genocide from its corrupt military and international miners .the latest is abujhmaad in chattisgadh where the rebels are hindus and most genocide is taking place on hindus and it goes unreported . abujhmaad is the gateway to a 4000 sq km diamond reserve of high carat and quality .no need to remind u about congo and sierra leone .and do include balochistan violence and swat valley and mingora in ur new study .

  50. Thersites says:

    I didn’t put Dr Mabuse’s words into your mouth, Tarique. I put my words into my mouth. I asked you the same questions I asked Dr Mabuse because you and he both make very similar claims about the Bombay massacres and don’t actually produce any evidence for them. You throw in yet more unsubstantiated and irrelevant claims and imagine they are evidence that the Bombay murders were committed by unspecified jewish/israeli/Indian/Pakistani/mining company plotters.

    In the meantime, given your knowledge of the secret world of conspiracies, just answer this simple question: is Ajmal Kasab telling the truth in his confession? If you answer ‘no’, what is the evidence for ypur claim?

  51. tarique says:

    the ajmal kasab trial is the biggest ‘farce’ on the indian nation and its people .i call the trial a big ‘fraud’ and i say it with full confidence that the trial is ‘fixed’. the entire trial and attention of 26/11 is being shifted to the CST firing , completely ignoring the taj,oberoi and nariman house where the diamond cartel war was fought .and why should i trust the ajmal kasab confession ? he gives one confession after his arrest in nair hospital and a totally different confession in court ? intelligent people like u should decide which one is correct……nair hospital confession or the courtroom confession ? and i m following the trial very closely and i must say that a banana republic trial will be more fair than the kasab trial .a yamaha engine is imported directly from japan to karachi……..a yamaha engine dealer who has no connection with the case and is based in new york is made to testify by the FBI via videoconferencing . how absurd ? a new jersey based (voip) server of CALLPHONEX company is used by the handlers of the terrorists……..and a jew of palestinian origin is asked to testify on it and that too from a canada holiday resort surrounded by FBI agents . ridiculous ? is new jersey not the nerve centre of US diamond trade and the ultra orthodox chabad lubavithchers controlling diamond money laundering from there ? all these facts are ignored in the kasab trial .and please do not try to convince me again on kasab’s confession……..if u were in kasab’s place and in the hands of mumbai crime branch even u would have confessed to the mumbai attacks and told what u were tutored to say by the mumbai cops . i hope u get my point ? get real my friend and use ur blog to save as many human lives as u can by informing people about the dragnet spread across the world by these ‘evil mongers’ called the mining lobby .nobody is safe from them….no religion….no athiest…..no ideology…..no poor …..no rich……..they will kill anyone to preserve their high profits .do not live in the fake world of orwellian theology classroom where media barons like rupert murdoch are ur ‘conman’ preachers .do not let rupert murdoch decide the quality of truth for u . follow the qasab trial closely and the loopholes are visible if u r unbiased .have u followed the 26/11 chargesheet that run into 11000 odd pages ? do they implicate pakistan government or pak army or pakistan ISI ? ANSWER IS ‘NO’. that leaves u with only kasab and nine dead bodies . if kasab has confessed then hang him to death…..very simple . why such a expensive trial where u have none other to implicate ?

  52. tarique says:

    in the kasab trial 3 FBI officers deposed in the mumbai court . the court ordered their identity to be kept secret . why ?can the FBI not protect itself ?their names kept secret ? i bet they were tom,dick and harry .the identity of the video conferencing US citizens who testified sitting in america kept secret ? were they maurice templesman and rothschild family members ? the public prosecutor in the kasab trial will know better .

  53. tarique says:

    a nokia phone salesman deposes from america for cellphones imported to pakistan from china ? it is america all the way calling the shots in the kasab trial . the americans and FBI are the new age ‘raja harishchandra’ for the indian courts who only speak the gospel truth and nothing else . the indian investigators have nothing in their hands except kasab . the conversation between handlers from pakistan and terrorists is also provided by FBI and nothing is from india’s own sources.HAIL AMERICA…….the land where people speak nothing but the truth . the land of tim roemer , india’s new US ambassador , posted to india to overlook the evacuation and genocide of the hindu tribals in chattisgadh forests for diamonds.tim roemer would be more useful in diamond mines than being a CIA chief for america .

  54. tarique says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashoo_Group a link to j.w. marriot bombing and pearl continental five star hotel bomb blasts links to the mining lobby .sadruddin hashwani’s hashoo group is the owner of marriot and pearl continental both ,as well as the ZAVER MINING COMPANY ,the largest and most powerful mining group in pakistan .

  55. Thersites says:

    Of course Ajmal Kasab’s trial is concerned with the events at Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, Tarique. That’s where he was. Nor is it surprising that he has altered his story since being interviewed in hospital. He has had time to consider his situation since then. It is ‘chacteristic’ of your ‘technique’ that you transform a Yamaha senior product specialist- as he was described in court into ‘an engine dealer who has no connection with the case’. He has a connexion with the case because he gave evidence of the engine’s source and destination. Before we go any further, who is this “a jew of palestinian origin” who “is asked to testify on it and that too from a canada holiday resort surrounded by FBI agents”? What are FBI agents doing in Canada- a foreign state? Do they have the Canadian government’s permission to be there?

  56. tarique says:

    the palestinian jew i mentioned was described to me by the press as the owner of CALLPHONEX company that provided the transcripts of conversation between the handlers and terrorists . the FBI claimed that the voice over internet protocol server (voip) of new jersey company CALLPHONEX was used by the handlers to talk to the mumbai attackers . the FBI said he was holidaying in canada when he deposed via videoconferencing . coming back to the yamaha dealer , why was the yamaha company based in japan not asked to testify ,they had directly sold the engine to a pakistani firm ? why is the FBI calling the shots in the investigation ? and have u seen the dan reed documentary on BBC channel 4 that is doing the rounds on the internet …….did u notice the heavy pashtu accent of ajmal kasab on hospital bed giving his confession ? does a faridkot punjabi speak like that ? i believe the BBC could have done a better job with the kasab dubbing artist ,maybe dan reed did not go into the careful deatails or the FBI got it dubbed in a hurry just before the arrival of hillary clinton and tim roemer to india .anyway , how did the BBC get the tapes of the nair hospital confession ? kasab confessed only to the mumbai crime branch and not to the BBC or FBI ? the kasab confession was never made public in india as it was a ‘top state secret’…..the video confession . how did the BBC get their hands on it ? it was reported that the mumbai top cops were red faced on BBC and were considering legal action .and why are u saying that kasab trial is based on CST , only because the media and police did a ‘cover up ’ on the DTC conference at taj and never mentioned the diamond exhibition in oberoi trident or alrosa diamond company links to nariman house ?

  57. Thersites says:

    You have a remarkable ability to find what you want, Tarique, even if it isn’t what is actually there. examples: “the palestinian jew i mentioned was described to me by the press as the owner of CALLPHONEX company that provided the transcripts of conversation between the handlers and terrorists ” Well, according to The Times of India he’s a U.S. citizen of Asian origin. Just which bit of “the press” were you talking to? Nor did Callphonex provide transcripts. While the attacks were taking place the Mumbai police and Indian intelligence services traced and listened in to the attackers.

    “the FBI said he was holidaying in canada when he deposed via videoconferencing” …so he was not “surrounded by FBI agents” as you claimed.

    “why is the FBI calling the shots in the investigation ?” What makes you think the F.B.I. is calling the shots? They seem to be providing information asked for by the court, a rather different matter.

    I haven’t seen the documentary- Channel 4 has no connexion with the B.B.C., by the way- if documentary rather than a dramadoc- as they are called- it is. You seem to think that Europeans are able to- or intersted in- distinguishing various Indian accents. If- as you claim- the video was illegally passed on to him then it may well have needed dubbing. Why should the F.B.I. have dubbed it? What does it have to do with Hilary Clinton’s visit to India? What is your evodence for any of the claims you make?

    “and why are u saying that kasab trial is based on CST , only because the media and police did a ‘cover up ’ on the DTC conference at taj and never mentioned the diamond exhibition in oberoi trident or alrosa diamond company links to nariman house ?” You re\lly ought to read sentences to the end: I told you why Kasab’s trial is concerned with events at C.S.T. for a very simple reason. That’s where Kasab was. As there is no evidence that the killers were aware of or concerned about “the DTC conference at taj and never mentioned the diamond exhibition in oberoi trident or alrosa diamond company links to nariman house”, there’s no need to ention them in the trial.

  58. tarique says:

    get ur facts corrects again . the mumbai police has no evidence of the conversation between the handlers and attackers . everything has been provided by CAALPHONEX , and that palestinian owner i mentioned .the FBI is the ‘go between’ for callphonex based i new jersey and mumbai police .and r u in a denial mode that mining lobby and rough diamond miners are the biggest terrorist organisations of this world ? either u r a hypocrite or a ‘buffoon’.

  59. tarique says:

    hillary clinton and tim roemer are ‘pimps’ for rough diamond mining lobby like maurice tempelsman………get it now ?

  60. tarique says:

    why should the rough diamond links of taj ,oberoi and nariman house not get mentioned ? how can u be so ‘cocksure’ that the terrorist were not aware of it ? start getting ur facts correct or else u will end up in life believing in ur own propoganda .

  61. tarique says:

    http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/De_Beers/id/2049401 read the last paragraph of this article …….another reason for the boycott is that some allege the company’s diamonds are linked to 9/11 attacks .

  62. Thersites says:

    “get ur facts corrects again . the mumbai police has no evidence of the conversation between the handlers and attackers . everything has been provided by CAALPHONEX , and that palestinian owner i mentioned .the FBI is the ‘go between’ for callphonex based i new jersey and mumbai police .and r u in a denial mode that mining lobby and rough diamond miners are the biggest terrorist organisations of this world ? either u r a hypocrite or a ‘buffoon’.”

    At the time of the attacks some of the calls from the tattackers to their superiors were being intercepted. They dropped a ‘phone on the trawler they used to enter Mumbai which helped identify the networks concerned. You still haven’t given a source for your claim that the owner of CALLPHONEX is Palestinian and/or Jewish. As I pointed out, The Times of India claim he is “an American citizen of Asian origin.

    “hillary clinton and tim roemer are ‘pimps’ for rough diamond mining lobby like maurice tempelsman………get it now ?”

    What is your evidence for this claim, ‘taique’? You actually claimed “maybe dan reed did not go into the careful deatails or the FBI got it dubbed in a hurry just before the arrival of hillary clinton and tim roemer ” in connexion with Reed’s T.V. programme. You still haven’t said why the F.B.I. should want to interfere with that or what its relevannce to Clinton’s visit is.

    “why should the rough diamond links of taj ,oberoi and nariman house not get mentioned ?” Their connexions with diamond dealers and the diamond trade have been mentioned several times. However, there is no reason to think that the attackers were concerned about this, so is is irrelevant to the trial.

    In short, ‘tarique’, you are a ‘buffoon’, a ‘hypocrite’, a buffoon, a hypocrite and a paranoiac headcase.