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	<title>Comments on: Review: Bad Science by Ben Goldacre</title>
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		<title>By: Thersites</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; legal aid being suddenly and inexplicably withdrawn to most families&quot;
The explanation is that it&#039;s thought that there isn&#039;t any chance of the actions succeeding, which is why legal aid has been withdrawn.

&quot;the empirical evidence of parental witness&quot;
The problem is that this is witness in recollection and the diagnosis of autism is a slow one, and is also often associated with other problems. Autism isn&#039;t a medical condition but a behaviour and it has many possible causes. Parents will often fix on one event and decide that this is an identifiable cause of all that happened afterwards. There have been illnesses and deaths caused by faulty vaccine batches but there is no evidence- diagnostic, except Wakefield&#039;s, shown to be unreliable, or statistical- that this has happened with M.M.R.

One of the problems of medicine- mentioned by Goldacre- is the unreliability of human observation, including parents&#039;, and human inability to understand science or scientific discoveries or their implications. For example, he has dealt with the problem of intuition in some of his problems, yet doctors will ascribe- to themselves at least- medically educated intuition which makes themselves better at diagnosis than others. With non-specific and ill-defined areas of medicine such as psychiatry the effects are disastrous. As Lewis Wolpert pointed out in The Unnatural Nature of Science science is counter-intuitive in the way it works an often in its revelations- an obvious and disastrous example is the fact- shown again and again- that rewarding good behaviour is much more effective than punishing bad behaviour as a means of getting the behaviour we want from people, that people will agree in the abstract and will revert to punishment in the family or society without noticing its ineffectuality.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; legal aid being suddenly and inexplicably withdrawn to most families&#8221;
The explanation is that it&#8217;s thought that there isn&#8217;t any chance of the actions succeeding, which is why legal aid has been withdrawn.</p>

<p>&#8220;the empirical evidence of parental witness&#8221;
The problem is that this is witness in recollection and the diagnosis of autism is a slow one, and is also often associated with other problems. Autism isn&#8217;t a medical condition but a behaviour and it has many possible causes. Parents will often fix on one event and decide that this is an identifiable cause of all that happened afterwards. There have been illnesses and deaths caused by faulty vaccine batches but there is no evidence- diagnostic, except Wakefield&#8217;s, shown to be unreliable, or statistical- that this has happened with M.M.R.</p>

<p>One of the problems of medicine- mentioned by Goldacre- is the unreliability of human observation, including parents&#8217;, and human inability to understand science or scientific discoveries or their implications. For example, he has dealt with the problem of intuition in some of his problems, yet doctors will ascribe- to themselves at least- medically educated intuition which makes themselves better at diagnosis than others. With non-specific and ill-defined areas of medicine such as psychiatry the effects are disastrous. As Lewis Wolpert pointed out in The Unnatural Nature of Science science is counter-intuitive in the way it works an often in its revelations- an obvious and disastrous example is the fact- shown again and again- that rewarding good behaviour is much more effective than punishing bad behaviour as a means of getting the behaviour we want from people, that people will agree in the abstract and will revert to punishment in the family or society without noticing its ineffectuality.</p>
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		<title>By: Yunus Yakoub Islam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yunus Yakoub Islam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the MMR scare led to legal action (now struggling due to legal aid being suddenly and inexplicable withdrawn to most families), I contacted the solicitor dealing with most of the cases and they sent me a selection of parental testimonies. We are talking parents, some of whom had older children, taking their kids for MMR, and literally, a week later, socially interactive children had become profoundly autistic. Goldacre needs to look at the most compelling evidence, not Wakefield&#039;s theory (which may be rubbish), but the empirical evidence of parental witness, in the context of the history of public health in this country going right back to the 19th century (when Alfred Russel Wallace bravely fought compulsory vaccination), which has consistently been one of condescending paternalism.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the MMR scare led to legal action (now struggling due to legal aid being suddenly and inexplicable withdrawn to most families), I contacted the solicitor dealing with most of the cases and they sent me a selection of parental testimonies. We are talking parents, some of whom had older children, taking their kids for MMR, and literally, a week later, socially interactive children had become profoundly autistic. Goldacre needs to look at the most compelling evidence, not Wakefield&#8217;s theory (which may be rubbish), but the empirical evidence of parental witness, in the context of the history of public health in this country going right back to the 19th century (when Alfred Russel Wallace bravely fought compulsory vaccination), which has consistently been one of condescending paternalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Agustus Kearney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Agustus Kearney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When they report that ,eg. asprin can stop blood clots or that bleech kills 90% of germs in the toilet they make it sound like if one doesn&#039;t use these products one can&#039;t be healthy ; for the people who use them, it makes them feel;&quot;bullet proof&quot;, .Should I switch from white wine to red because of all the reports?
The manufactures must have learned from religion, who sell a ghost whom you can&#039;t see touch hear,there is absolutly no evidence of it&#039;s existance and they have been doing so since whenever.Religion has the same proof as the people have for ,flying saucers. It all about getting something from your fellow man by telling a whole ,&quot;hockey sock &quot;,full of lies.
It took me 67 years to learn this,
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When they report that ,eg. asprin can stop blood clots or that bleech kills 90% of germs in the toilet they make it sound like if one doesn&#8217;t use these products one can&#8217;t be healthy ; for the people who use them, it makes them feel;&#8221;bullet proof&#8221;, .Should I switch from white wine to red because of all the reports?
The manufactures must have learned from religion, who sell a ghost whom you can&#8217;t see touch hear,there is absolutly no evidence of it&#8217;s existance and they have been doing so since whenever.Religion has the same proof as the people have for ,flying saucers. It all about getting something from your fellow man by telling a whole ,&#8221;hockey sock &#8220;,full of lies.
It took me 67 years to learn this,</p>
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