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	<title>Comments on: Response to Umar Lee on Shaikh Hamza Yusuf</title>
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		<title>By: Ayatul Kursi</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/01/18/response_to_umar_lee_on_shaikh_hamza_yusuf#comment-209146</link>
		<dc:creator>Ayatul Kursi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Interesting post, Masha Allah. This is why your Brass Crescent was so richly deserved. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Interesting post, Masha Allah. This is why your Brass Crescent was so richly deserved.</p>
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		<title>By: YusefH</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/01/18/response_to_umar_lee_on_shaikh_hamza_yusuf#comment-62732</link>
		<dc:creator>YusefH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 00:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of masculinity issues, I wonder what his driving is like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of masculinity issues, I wonder what his driving is like.</p>
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		<title>By: Umar Lee, Mike Knight and RIM Muslims??? &#171; A Better World View</title>
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		<dc:creator>Umar Lee, Mike Knight and RIM Muslims??? &#171; A Better World View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] <a href="http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/01/18/response_to_umar_lee_on_shaikh_hamza_yusuf">http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/01/18/response<em>to</em>umar<em>lee</em>on<em>shaikh</em>hamza_yusuf</a> [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: George Carty</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/01/18/response_to_umar_lee_on_shaikh_hamza_yusuf#comment-15424</link>
		<dc:creator>George Carty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;All this so that Americans and Europeans can maintain their taste for cheap luxury and easy, fast travel.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why do environmentalists have this puritanical hatred of aviation?   &lt;a href=&quot;http://depletedcranium.com/greenpeace-proposal-a-return-to-airline-glory-days-but-not-for-you/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aviation is responsible for less than 1.5 % of global CO2 emissions&lt;/a&gt;, and it doesn&#039;t matter if this percentage increases as long as it is primarily due to reductions in emissions from other sources.  I think you&#039;ve been reading too much Monbiot.

Why not go after the big CO2 sources by replacing fossil fuel power stations with nuclear ones, and encouraging the use of electric cars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>All this so that Americans and Europeans can maintain their taste for cheap luxury and easy, fast travel.</blockquote>

<p>Why do environmentalists have this puritanical hatred of aviation?   <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/greenpeace-proposal-a-return-to-airline-glory-days-but-not-for-you/">Aviation is responsible for less than 1.5 % of global CO2 emissions</a>, and it doesn&#8217;t matter if this percentage increases as long as it is primarily due to reductions in emissions from other sources.  I think you&#8217;ve been reading too much Monbiot.</p>

<p>Why not go after the big CO2 sources by replacing fossil fuel power stations with nuclear ones, and encouraging the use of electric cars?</p>
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		<title>By: The Stig</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Stig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 08:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Yusuf,

I must say that I find your defense of Shaikh Hamzah compelling and complete.

I do agreee with Umar Lee&#039;s comments, but not their target.

They would have been better applied to Khalid Abu AL Fadl, Fatima Mernessi and other modernists, whose deviance from classical Islamic fiqh and aqeedah, is self proclaimed with pride.

I must also point out that Umar Lee crossed the line by referring to the Sahaba as killers,and thieves. This was apparently done in their defense and in defense of Umar&#039;s view of Masculinity.

This is so repellent a comment that it places him beyond Alhus Sunnah, I advise him to fear Allah and repent.

I also want to say that no real scholar has to respond to this type of accusation, rather it is upto Umar Lee to present himself before Hamzah Yusuf and direct his tirade in person to his face. THAT is real masculinity.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Yusuf,</p>

<p>I must say that I find your defense of Shaikh Hamzah compelling and complete.</p>

<p>I do agreee with Umar Lee&#8217;s comments, but not their target.</p>

<p>They would have been better applied to Khalid Abu AL Fadl, Fatima Mernessi and other modernists, whose deviance from classical Islamic fiqh and aqeedah, is self proclaimed with pride.</p>

<p>I must also point out that Umar Lee crossed the line by referring to the Sahaba as killers,and thieves. This was apparently done in their defense and in defense of Umar&#8217;s view of Masculinity.</p>

<p>This is so repellent a comment that it places him beyond Alhus Sunnah, I advise him to fear Allah and repent.</p>

<p>I also want to say that no real scholar has to respond to this type of accusation, rather it is upto Umar Lee to present himself before Hamzah Yusuf and direct his tirade in person to his face. THAT is real masculinity.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Muwahid</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/01/18/response_to_umar_lee_on_shaikh_hamza_yusuf#comment-8989</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Muwahid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is a lot more physical contact between males in the Muslim World and some of that is good.&quot;

So you&#039;re saying that the majority of it is not?

&quot;However, to keep it real, pedophilia is also rampant in many parts of the Muslim World. I know of people who were sodomized by male teachers at Islamic madrassas and others who had to pull their sons out. I, for one, would love to send my sons (if Allah blesses me to have boy) to a Muslim boarding school; but I fear this for them.&quot;

May Allah send a few of his lions to off these homo-rapists. This a great example we should return to Allah&#039;s law. These criminals would be killed immediately. Allahu Akbar. A muslim should not have to fear sending their muslim child to a muslim school.  :(
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is a lot more physical contact between males in the Muslim World and some of that is good.&#8221;</p>

<p>So you&#8217;re saying that the majority of it is not?</p>

<p>&#8220;However, to keep it real, pedophilia is also rampant in many parts of the Muslim World. I know of people who were sodomized by male teachers at Islamic madrassas and others who had to pull their sons out. I, for one, would love to send my sons (if Allah blesses me to have boy) to a Muslim boarding school; but I fear this for them.&#8221;</p>

<p>May Allah send a few of his lions to off these homo-rapists. This a great example we should return to Allah&#8217;s law. These criminals would be killed immediately. Allahu Akbar. A muslim should not have to fear sending their muslim child to a muslim school.  :(</p>
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		<title>By: saarim</title>
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		<dc:creator>saarim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AbdulHaq, what do you think of Bilaal Davis receiving money from the British government to combat &quot;extremism&quot; as mentioned in a British newspaper?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AbdulHaq, what do you think of Bilaal Davis receiving money from the British government to combat &#8220;extremism&#8221; as mentioned in a British newspaper?</p>
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		<title>By: AbdulHaq al-Ashanti</title>
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		<dc:creator>AbdulHaq al-Ashanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salafimanhaj.com/pdf/SalafiManhaj_RAND.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.salafimanhaj.com/pdf/SalafiManhaj_RAND.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.salafimanhaj.com/pdf/SalafiManhaj_RAND.pdf">http://www.salafimanhaj.com/pdf/SalafiManhaj_RAND.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: AbdulHaq al-Ashanti</title>
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		<dc:creator>AbdulHaq al-Ashanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find some of Yusuf&#039;s remarks to be utterly risible, particularly when he equated those from the ghettos as being &quot;low-hanging fruit&quot; and other  cantankerous descriptions of those from the Ghetto. The reality is that in the UK for example most of those from these areas are becoming Muslims are a faster rate than other areas and this is something which is praiseworthy, which even your Shaykh Hamza Yusuf himself as attested to and so has Umar F Abd Allah!

As for Yusuf&#039;s ridiculous views about Salafis and Ghettos then he is in close proximity to many in London yet never ever ventures to them to really find out just what is actually taking place! Therefore, there has been an &quot;over-emphasis&quot; (as Yusuf oddly describes it!) of da&#039;wah in the ghettos as this is where Islam is being more rapidly accepted. This itself has been subject to much in the way of research and study.
I also found Yusuf&#039;s statements about &quot;criminal backgrounds and chaotic family situations&quot; which Yusuf equated with ghetto life to also be rather obtuse. Such a sanctimonious description of ghetto life is precisely the kind of ipse-dixit that Lee was emphasising in his initial article. For it is well known that those from middle-class backgrounds can also be subject to &quot;chaotic family backgrounds&quot; which in some instances can be just as detrimental to the persona as being raised in a single-parent home in the ghettos of the UK or the US


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find some of Yusuf&#8217;s remarks to be utterly risible, particularly when he equated those from the ghettos as being &#8220;low-hanging fruit&#8221; and other  cantankerous descriptions of those from the Ghetto. The reality is that in the UK for example most of those from these areas are becoming Muslims are a faster rate than other areas and this is something which is praiseworthy, which even your Shaykh Hamza Yusuf himself as attested to and so has Umar F Abd Allah!</p>

<p>As for Yusuf&#8217;s ridiculous views about Salafis and Ghettos then he is in close proximity to many in London yet never ever ventures to them to really find out just what is actually taking place! Therefore, there has been an &#8220;over-emphasis&#8221; (as Yusuf oddly describes it!) of da&#8217;wah in the ghettos as this is where Islam is being more rapidly accepted. This itself has been subject to much in the way of research and study.
I also found Yusuf&#8217;s statements about &#8220;criminal backgrounds and chaotic family situations&#8221; which Yusuf equated with ghetto life to also be rather obtuse. Such a sanctimonious description of ghetto life is precisely the kind of ipse-dixit that Lee was emphasising in his initial article. For it is well known that those from middle-class backgrounds can also be subject to &#8220;chaotic family backgrounds&#8221; which in some instances can be just as detrimental to the persona as being raised in a single-parent home in the ghettos of the UK or the US</p>
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		<title>By: Haroon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haroon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The damage to Traditional Islam has primarily damaged been by elements who claim to represent it and not from individuals like Umar Lee.

This has ranged from the shameless encouragement and support of very untraditional people like Ed Hussain to dodgy alliances with the Policy Exchange.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The damage to Traditional Islam has primarily damaged been by elements who claim to represent it and not from individuals like Umar Lee.</p>

<p>This has ranged from the shameless encouragement and support of very untraditional people like Ed Hussain to dodgy alliances with the Policy Exchange.</p>
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