i don’t have anytime for these groups. i think islam is a simple religion and that attaching oneself to an individual(and showing excessive reverence for them is dangerous territory as one will end up at the least, disappointed and expolited, at the worst.

Firstly, and this is very simple, bring forth names, dates, context of the divorce, and both sides of the stories. If such can not be given, and apparently those backbiting slanderers are to panzy to come forth, yet bold enough to sit behind computers and spread soap-opera like trash beneath some pseudo-name like “Sketch” or “Retardo” etc. , then the claims have no weight. Its that simple.

Secondly, if the Shaykh advised a mureed to divorce his wife, the mureed is not obliged to follow his opinion, why? because it is ADVICE, not a religious command divinely inspired. It is his opinion of the scenario, context etc. By the fact that they are on the net spreading their dirty laundry then attacking a man, whom they know will not defend himself, is proof enough that these women are shadier than their own qareens. The same goes for this backbiting ‘Alim wannabe Sketch. How sad is it for a supposed 10 year student of the law to not implement the law! They know very good and well that it is forbidden in the law of Allah to spread calumny, mention things without proof, and make claims unsupported without clarification of the context. Or maybe their 10 years of study was really 10 years of socialization, for that is certainly what they have shown.

Thirdly, mureeds are humans. They are not “saints”, that is why they are mureeds. They are trying to better themselves. You and I can not expect them to be monastic heroes, perfect, and angelic in their homes at all times. For Allah’s sake, they are humans! Get real people, seriously. Furthermore, the Shaykh can not be accountable for the actions of his mureeds. It is not his job to act like Stalin and enter the mureeds homes as he so pleases, then slap them around for their stupidity - if such even existed in these cases. What he can do is advise them to fix their problems as the Shari’ah has set out. I have personally heard Shaykh Nuh on multiple occassions warn against divorce and simply tell the mureeds, get over your nafs and move on. It really is that simple!

Fourthly, divorce is not Haraam, and at times may even be obligatory! For example, Allah says:

“A divorce is only permissible twice: after that, the parties should either hold Together on equitable terms, or separate with kindness.”

[2:229]

So this stupid claim that divorce ruins lives and everything will come crashing down, is absurd! It is emotionality that has nothing to do with reality. Why aren’t these spouses trusting in Allah at all? My God! My mother raised three young lads on her own, making nearly nothing to the hour, not a single day did I hear her complain or say that “her life was ruined”. SHE WAS A CHRISTIAN, and ya Allah! How often did I hear her say “God provides, trust Him!”

Compare that to these backbiting slanderers who come on the internet, give only their side of the story, refuse to reveal the real details about the issues, and hound on a man that will not even defend himself against their baatil claims. Soap opera central! How pathetic! If they were real women, they would get their crap together and move on. But no, instead they have to follow their wiswas, lie, and spread their trash, knowing good and well that those mureeds in Kharabsheh do not waste their time checking a pseudo-salafi like Umar Lee’s blog. So of course these evil women and cohorts know they can get away with slander and backbiting. It runs through their veins like blood through man!

So cocomo, if you really believe these claims, then you have abandoned the Qur’anic standard wherein Allah states:

O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.

49:6

Have you verified? If you have give me names, dates, context, both sides of the story, as well as a statement from Shaykh Nuh on the issue. If not you have disregarded the verse for whim!

Do you think your shaykh is incapable of making any mistakes?

What kind of ridiculous question is that? Are you people really serious? Not only do you abandon Qur’anic standards for your desires, but you people assume purely irrational things!

Our Nabi said: “Every son of Adam sins, the best of those sinners are those who repent!”

What I know about Shaykh Nuh is that he is a scholar of tasawwuf, wise, kind, and determined to help people along their spiritual path to Allah. He does not seek personal gain from any of this da’wah effort of his, and he certainly doesn’t waste his time on pathetic soap opera styled baatil like this. Scholars who have met him praise him. Those who have true suhbah with him, love him. Its that simple. He is a sinner like all mankind, and he calls to tawbah like everyone else.

So get over your ridiculous baatil and realize that you will return to Allah be accountable for all of this non-sense. May Allah forgive us, because we need it!

was-Salam, Abul Layth

Firstly, and this is very simple, bring forth names, dates, context of the divorce, and both sides of the stories. If such can not be given, and apparently those backbiting slanderers are to panzy to come forth, yet bold enough to sit behind computers and spread soap-opera like trash beneath some pseudo-name like “Sketch” or “Retardo” etc. , then the claims have no weight. Its that simple.

Secondly, if the Shaykh advised a mureed to divorce his wife, the mureed is not obliged to follow his opinion, why? because it is ADVICE, not a religious command divinely inspired. It is his opinion of the scenario, context etc. By the fact that they are on the net spreading their dirty laundry then attacking a man, whom they know will not defend himself, is proof enough that these women are shadier than their own qareens. The same goes for this backbiting ‘Alim wannabe Sketch. How sad is it for a supposed 10 year student of the law to not implement the law! They know very good and well that it is forbidden in the law of Allah to spread calumny, mention things without proof, and make claims unsupported without clarification of the context. Or maybe their 10 years of study was really 10 years of socialization, for that is certainly what they have shown.

Thirdly, mureeds are humans. They are not “saints”, that is why they are mureeds. They are trying to better themselves. You and I can not expect them to be monastic heroes, perfect, and angelic in their homes at all times. For Allah’s sake, they are humans! Get real people, seriously. Furthermore, the Shaykh can not be accountable for the actions of his mureeds. It is not his job to act like Stalin and enter the mureeds homes as he so pleases, then slap them around for their stupidity - if such even existed in these cases. What he can do is advise them to fix their problems as the Shari’ah has set out. I have personally heard Shaykh Nuh on multiple occassions warn against divorce and simply tell the mureeds, get over your nafs and move on. It really is that simple!

Fourthly, divorce is not Haraam, and at times may even be obligatory! For example, Allah says:

“A divorce is only permissible twice: after that, the parties should either hold Together on equitable terms, or separate with kindness.”

[2:229]

So this stupid claim that divorce ruins lives and everything will come crashing down, is absurd! It is emotionality that has nothing to do with reality. Why aren’t these spouses trusting in Allah at all? My God! My mother raised three young lads on her own, making nearly nothing to the hour, not a single day did I hear her complain or say that “her life was ruined”. SHE WAS A CHRISTIAN, and ya Allah! How often did I hear her say “God provides, trust Him!”

Compare that to these backbiting slanderers who come on the internet, give only their side of the story, refuse to reveal the real details about the issues, and hound on a man that will not even defend himself against their baatil claims. Soap opera central! How pathetic! If they were real women, they would get their crap together and move on. But no, instead they have to follow their wiswas, lie, and spread their trash, knowing good and well that those mureeds in Kharabsheh do not waste their time checking a pseudo-salafi like Umar Lee’s blog. So of course these evil women and cohorts know they can get away with slander and backbiting. It runs through their veins like blood through man!

So cocomo, if you really believe these claims, then you have abandoned the Qur’anic standard wherein Allah states:

O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.

49:6

Have you verified? If you have give me names, dates, context, both sides of the story, as well as a statement from Shaykh Nuh on the issue. If not you have disregarded the verse for whim!

Do you think your shaykh is incapable of making any mistakes?

What kind of ridiculous question is that? Are you people really serious? Not only do you abandon Qur’anic standards for your desires, but you people assume purely irrational things!

Our Nabi said: “Every son of Adam sins, the best of those sinners are those who repent!”

What I know about Shaykh Nuh is that he is a scholar of tasawwuf, wise, kind, and determined to help people along their spiritual path to Allah. He does not seek personal gain from any of this da’wah effort of his, and he certainly doesn’t waste his time on pathetic soap opera styled baatil like this. Scholars who have met him praise him. Those who have true suhbah with him, love him. Its that simple. He is a sinner like all mankind, and he calls to tawbah like everyone else.

So get over your ridiculous baatil and realize that you will return to Allah be accountable for all of this non-sense. May Allah forgive us, because we need it!

was-Salam, Abul Layth

But what about those women who are suffering and whose children are suffering due to divorces recommended by your shuyukh? Do you think your shaykh is incapable of making any mistakes? Give me an honest answer.

What is even worse is that your disgusting nafs thinks it has the ability to decrease the ranks of men who have higher rank than yourself. I can tell your sad nafs is out of control. Why don’t you and your ilk of ghibah & namimah loving disgruntled bigots bring forth names, dates, times, and further proofs instead of open ended, vague, statements that carry as much weight as Bush’s legitimacy. From what we see, you are a faasiq and it is not permitted for us to accept your statements as our Lord has said:

O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.

Prove to us your tawthiq, oh mughtaab! Bring forth your proof, as well as legitimacy for your claims. Tell us who you are, as well as the other slanderous backbiting scum with you. No worries, I am not close to Shaykh Nuh, and I am a horrible mureed, if a mureed at all - for the fact that I waste my time on such vomit only shows how horrible my own state is as well, so you have noting to fear, you obviously don’t fear Allah so you shouldn’t fear anyone else! Tell us how much money these mureeds I mentioned above have “invested” into this tariqah if you are truthful? Since you are the all-knowing mughtab, let us see your clear proofs! Or else, fear the du’aa of the oppressed, for you are oppressing your brother by spreading falsehood.

May Allah guide your pathetic nafs and mine as well Amin!

Salams, do you mind answering my question that I addressed to you? Im not attacking; just curious about your views. Also, what is your opinion on the murid-shaikh literature, such as al-Anwar al-Qudusiya and other works? How do you reconcile what is contained in those books with what you are saying?

was salam