The anti-Semitic holiday destination

New Statesman - You’re Jewish? You can’t be English

I read this in this week’s New Statesman, by one Rhoda Koenig, a theatre critic on the Independent and Punch, who lives in London but comes from New York. She describes how she gradually distanced herself from a friend who she became convinced was an anti-Semite because he agreed with another guest at a dinner party who called Israel “unpleasant” and “aggressive”, and later took off on a trip to Syria over the author’s protests that the place is “a hotbed of anti-Semitic terrorism”, which it plainly isn’t.

Besides this obvious nonsense, the author compared her former friend’s attitude with English “Gentiles” of a bygone age “dismissed reports from central Europe as hysteria or propaganda”. This is surely an understandable reaction when dealing with reports of this kind about your enemy during a war, particularly given the experience of atrocity propaganda during the First World War. As for the chance conversations with people who invite one to “realise that the Jews are plotting to steal our gold and rule the world”, it’s never happened to me in 32 years, at least, not with a middle-class white person. It’s not to say I’ve never encountered stereotypes about stingy or “careful” Jews, but certainly not in respectable company in London.

She does make some good points about how, for example, English “reserve” can also lead people to keep silent when someone makes an obviously bigoted comment, as they do when they see someone acting up on a bus or tube; this does not, however, mean that “‘nice’ anti-Semitism is practically bred in the bone”, because not wanting to humiliate someone who makes a social faux-pas, such as what they do not realise is a statement of prejudice (against anyone, not just Jews) is just part of good social grace: there may well be a hush, someone will cough and the subject of conversation will change or the host will offer the next course or some drinks. The person who made the remark will know that it was not appreciated even if nobody made a song and dance about it. Also, bigots can often be loud-mouthed and aggressive, and it’s often difficult (or dangerous) to challenge them, even publically. I remember sitting in the canteen at the Royal Mail depot in south-west London (Nine Elms, to be precise) as a big bloke went on about “Muzzos” (Muslims) getting this and that. I was an agency driver who had been there a few days, and if I’d told him to keep his opinions to himself, I would not have made much headway (except perhaps for my own head, in the wall).

Of course, there is a big difference between prejudice and what Ms Koenig is apparently unwilling to countenance, namely someone unwilling to give one particular foreign country a free pass to do whatever it likes to a group of its subjects in the name of “self-defence”. This latter sentiment is actually pretty common, despite what politicians say and whatever you read in certain newspapers. I can perfectly understand ending a friendship when it becomes clear that your friend has prejudices he is unwilling to shift and cannot keep to himself, but going to Syria is not an example of anti-Semitism, and neither is criticising Israel.

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  • Thersites

    “the author’s protests that [Syria is “a hotbed of anti-Semitic terrorism”, which it plainly isn’t. Really? State-controlled medis cite The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as reliable information and the Syrian secret services are sponsors and perpetrators of terrorism. Certainly anti-Semitic and certainly a hotbed of terrorism. It may be some years since they last were caught engaging in anti-Semitic terorism, but they’ve got form. Apart from that, Syria is a murderous dictatorship, which is quite enough reason to disapprove of anyone who chooses to visit the place anyway.

    “one particular foreign country a free pass to do whatever it likes to a group of its subjects in the name of ‘self-defence’. ” Well, no. We don’t know that Ms. Koenig would give Israel “a free pass” for that. Nor did Israel do that. Vile and stupid though the I.D.F.’s strategy and tactics in Gaza were they did keep limits. In fact, for an example of a country doing “whatever it likes to a group of its subjects in the name of ‘self-defence’”, we can find a much better example in what the Syrian armed forces did to the city of Hama when it was taken over by the Muslim Brotherhood in 1982.

  • LeedsLad

    I could not help but see the irony of this woman. What a total waste of space she is if she could not see the dismal mentality brought upon by ones’s obsession with its own Talmudic identity.

    What should we call people who go on holiday to “Israel”?

  • http://www.getoutlines.com Safiya Outlines

    Salaam Alaikum,

    Thersites - So no mention of the fact that Israel stole the Golan Heights and refuses to hand them back.

    Israel is a muderous democracy, which is surely far worse, in that it’s population choses to be run by a bunch of child killers.

  • Thersites

    “Stole the Golan heights”? Took them in a military operation. Isn’t there something in the quran about spoils of war and rights of conquest? I agree that it is foolish to proclaim that they will never return the Golan Heights as part of a peace settlement, as Israeli politicians have done, but would it be regarded as unethical if a muslim politician said the same thing? If- as the Muslim Brotherhood did in Hama and Hamas do in Gaza- an organisation launches military attacks from aa populated area they can expect that area to be attacked- indeed, isn’t there a hadith to the effect that civilians who accompany an army have to take their chances?- and much of the blame is on them. Even if you consider the Israeli government “a bunch of child killers” there are gradations even in atrocity. The I.D.F. in Lebanon and Gaza showed many faults but they did not set out to indiscriminately kill anything at all in the target area as a strategy, as the Syrian armed forces did in Syria itself. That said, there does seem to have been a change for the worse in the behaviour of the I.D.F. Compare the number of civilian casualties in Jenin a few years ago, when the I.D.F. appear to have tried to kill as few civilians as possible, with their present tactics of indifference to civilian casualties as long as they get their targetted enemies. However, they’ve still some way to go compared with the Syrian army.

  • Umm Ahmed

    Hello They did not kill indiscrimately Let us not forget Deir Yassin Where they cut the bellies of Women to Kill their Fetuses. Let us not Forget Sabra And shatilla they were the ones ultimately responsible for the killings in the camps . Then let us not forget many other killings. The state of Israel is A Terrorist State no other word for it. It will never survive because it is based on oppression. God makes war on those who Oppress and who take Riba. Even If you look in the bible Israel was not long in the Land before they were taken away into captivity.

  • George Carty

    Umm Ahmed,

    Even if Israel lost its backing from the Western powers, could it not persist in total isolation from the world as a kind of Middle Eastern North Korea, relying on nuclear MAD to keep its neighbours from wiping it out?

  • LeedsLad

    “Israel” will exist as long as the arab countries in ME continue to be obsessed with their women. They spend billions and billions with tanks, firearms to stop people from even looking at an Arab woman. Women are suppose to belong to all, so no point wasting time over them.

  • jas

    I though I’d let you know you’ve been mentioned in the Spectator by Mad Mel

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/3409686/part_2/beware-the-new-axis-of-evangelicals-and-islamists.thtml

  • http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/ Indigo Jo

    Jas: yes I know! Good isn’t it? I actually make a habit of browsing the political magazines on the shelves and in this case, since I actually got a mention, I bought the magazine. I’ve already sent a letter in response to the article and will probably post a blog response tomorrow insha Allah.

  • Thersites

    “Women are suppose to belong to all” Really, Leedslad? Women are supposed to belong to all what? How about women- like everyone else- are supposed to belong to themselves?

    George Carty, North Korea can be an isolationist autarky partly because of its geographical isolation, partly because of its cultural isolation. On the other hand, Israel cannot be geographically isolated- the causes of Israeli paranoia include its geographical vulnerability and the bloodthirsty rhetoric of assorted arab countries- and one of its most important exports is cultural and intellectual- look at the number of Israeli intellectuals, academics and scientists, wherever they are based, whose work is used by and affects the rest of the world. Even if it were possible, cultural and intellectual isolation of Israel would damage the rest of the world, whether self-imposed or not- in a way that the solitary sulk of North Koreaa cannot.

  • LeedsLad

    This is how money is invested in the majority of “Muslim” countries: Saudis order 40 lashes for elderly woman for mingling

    You probably misunderstood my intensions about “ownership” of women, but I simply meant that they had a right and always tend to go off to whomever and whatever they prefer. It is women who choose men, and not the other way round.

    The free and brave Christians will definitely not buy “Judeo/Christianity” esp since this M Philips is hiding the fact that there is a growing love between “Jewish/Israelis/Zionists” and the far right as Wilders case shows. He was welcomed by people of only certain ethnicity like this M Philips. Hence her obsession with “the left”, obviously I do not expect her to regard Christianity anything of value.

    The idea behind their backing for the Neo-Nazis is that Muslim lives will made miserable while they will ofcos get away with it because they are regarded as “white” unlike uncle my local Ali styling a big black beard and a heavy Pakistani accent.

    What they do not know is, Muslim families will certainly not be hiding in attics but either leaving for good or fight the fight.

  • Thersites

    “This is how money is invested in the majority of “Muslim” countries: Saudis order 40 lashes for elderly woman for mingling”

    Well, that’s not very expensive.

    “You probably misunderstood my intensions about “ownership” of women, but I simply meant that they had a right and always tend to go off to whomever and whatever they prefer. It is women who choose men, and not the other way round.”

    Well this: “Women are suppose to belong to all, so no point wasting time over them.”, which is what you said, doesn’t sound at all like what you now say your intentions were.

    Well, no, Wilders was not welcomed by people of only certain ethnicity like this M Philips. In fact, the interpretation of the quran he cites is agreed with by some muslims. Omar Bakri, for example, only objected to the pictures used to support the claims. Nor is Wilders a neonazi; he is a conservative libertarian. His objection to islam is based on the number of things that muslims believe they are entitled to make people do or to stop people from doing just because muslims believe that god wants them to do that. He greatly overestimates the actual enthusiasm of most so-called muslims for doing their duty as muslims or the likelihood of their ever being able to fulfil those duties.

    You might find it useful to think about what you are trying to say before you type and consider whether you have said it afterwatds. You are either saying things you do not mean to say or you believe the most absurd and egregious nonsense.

  • LeedsLad

    “Nor is Wilders a neonazi; he is a conservative libertarian.”

    haha, you might have taken advice from your paragraph: “You might find it useful to think about what you are trying to say before you type…”

    He was welcomed my cheap bloggers and e-article contributors who are only united for their ethnocentrism and hatred for other races which they nowadays prefer to warp it around “Islamofascism”.

    If Wilders is “Cons. Libertarian” then according to people like the poster above Nick Griffin would be a humanitarian who just wants immigrants to go back and help their “home countries”. In case you do not know N Grffin since you seem to use American English, he is the leader of the British Nazi Party.

    Interesting how the likes of this person quickly jumps to mention O Bakri, another friend of the enemies of Islam. I hope the pension money they promised him will serve him well in the future. So what is the point of nitpicking on certain issues surrounding the Quran and not the Talmud or Bibles. Do you see Muslims of any kind accusing all “Judeo Christians” of incest because there is few verses in the old testament which sanction such deviance?

  • Thersites

    Which verses in the old testament “sanction” incest, Leedslad? If you’re referring to the story of Lot and his daughters you’d better reread it. Unlike muslims, nearly all jews and christians do not believe their allegedly holy books are the exact and literal word of god containing orders to be followed exactly and literally. Which “enemies of islam” is Omar Bakri a friend of? Precisely which cheap bloggers and e-article contributors welcomed Wilders? A better test of hos opinions would be whether he welcomed them.

  • George Carty

    I suspect that Omar Bakri and al-Muhajiroun (under whatever name) are either whacked-out extremists who need Britain to become more Islamophobic as it is the only way they can hope to get any support (Doug Muder in Terrorist Strategy 101 points out how opposing extremists feed off one another), or they are people utterly consumed by hate - the Muslim analogue of the Westboro Baptist Church.

  • Thersites

    More likely Omar Bakri and al-Muhajiroun retain the pristine purity of belief without being infected by the decadent society they live in. It may be possible to disapprove of homosexuality or adulterery in the abstract, but when you live in a society which regards them as harmless peccadiloes and you come across individuals whoare perfectly ordinary and decent people apart from regularly practising these alleged sins, it’s hard to think torturing them to death on behalf of an all-loving god is a good idea. Omar Bakri and al-Muhajiroun and their equivalents in other belief-systems have to spend a lot of time and effort keeping their hatred of kaffirs and innovators and apostates- indeed, almost the entire human species- up to the level their interpretation of islam requires so they need to inspire hatred of themselves to justify their hatred of everyone else.

  • George Carty
    Omar Bakri and al-Muhajiroun and their equivalents in other belief-systems have to spend a lot of time and effort keeping their hatred of kaffirs and innovators and apostates- indeed, almost the entire human species- up to the level their interpretation of islam requires so they need to inspire hatred of themselves to justify their hatred of everyone else.

    Sounds like my comparison to the Westboro Baptist Church actually has something to it - note that those bozos picket soldier’s funerals with hate-filled placards…

  • Thersites

    “Sounds like my comparison to the Westboro Baptist Church actually has something to it “…except that Omar Bakri and al-Muhajiroun are on the continuum of muslim doctrine, whereas Westboro Baptist Church- like all christians- vary their estimation of the significance of different bits of the bible. Muslims have much less opportunity for that.

    After all, in some muslim countries Omar Bakri and al-Muhajiroun would be regarded as speaking sound muslim doctrine. It’s only those who live in the decadent west who have been weakened by daily exposure to sinners who are tolerated or admired or even just accepted as ordinary people that don’t follow the quranic logic of their argument.

  • http://www.twenga.co.uk/dir-Travel Sarah Russel

    i think its a great holiday destination!

  • Thersites

    “i think its a great holiday destination!”

    I don’t think Maryam Kallis would agree: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/31/syria-arrests-torture-foreign-office-amnesty-international but we can’t ask her.