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		<title>By: Thersites</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/03/29/target_culture_and_the_low_rape_conviction_rate#comment-9296</link>
		<dc:creator>Thersites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said nothing about malpractice, Pierce Harlan. I spoke of investigative incompetence, which definitely occurred in the cases I.J. cited, and prosecutorial incompetence, which unfortunately is not unique to rape cases in the U.K.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said nothing about malpractice, Pierce Harlan. I spoke of investigative incompetence, which definitely occurred in the cases I.J. cited, and prosecutorial incompetence, which unfortunately is not unique to rape cases in the U.K.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierce Harlan</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/03/29/target_culture_and_the_low_rape_conviction_rate#comment-9295</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierce Harlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Shouldn&#039;t as in they aren&#039;t rape or shouln&#039;t as in- like examples cited above- the investigation or the prosecution were so incompetent that the case could not be proven?&quot;

Seriously, how much prosecutorial malrpractice do you think really goes on?  Sure, it happens -- but come on.  It&#039;s exceedingly rare.

Look, Thersites, you seem like you&#039;re looking to pick a fight. I think you don&#039;t like my conclusion, so your knee jerk reaction is to fight me.  You have pegged me as some wild-eyed, angry MRA when the fact is, I came to this issue in the course of representing a kid -- and for a long time, believing the two percent canard.  I am to the left of Obama on key issues, and consider myself an equity femminist.  But all of my independent studies reveals that false rape claims are a real problem -- and that&#039;s the ACLU instincts in me fighting for the presumed innocent.  See this recent article of mine -- all of the studies I referenced seem to me to be clearly unbiased.  The numbers are a moving target with a big range -- that&#039;s because no one can say what the number is for certain:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=3159&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=3159&lt;/a&gt;

Biased studies are those promulgated by the paid sexual assault cottage industry.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Shouldn&#8217;t as in they aren&#8217;t rape or shouln&#8217;t as in- like examples cited above- the investigation or the prosecution were so incompetent that the case could not be proven?&#8221;</p>

<p>Seriously, how much prosecutorial malrpractice do you think really goes on?  Sure, it happens &#8212; but come on.  It&#8217;s exceedingly rare.</p>

<p>Look, Thersites, you seem like you&#8217;re looking to pick a fight. I think you don&#8217;t like my conclusion, so your knee jerk reaction is to fight me.  You have pegged me as some wild-eyed, angry MRA when the fact is, I came to this issue in the course of representing a kid &#8212; and for a long time, believing the two percent canard.  I am to the left of Obama on key issues, and consider myself an equity femminist.  But all of my independent studies reveals that false rape claims are a real problem &#8212; and that&#8217;s the ACLU instincts in me fighting for the presumed innocent.  See this recent article of mine &#8212; all of the studies I referenced seem to me to be clearly unbiased.  The numbers are a moving target with a big range &#8212; that&#8217;s because no one can say what the number is for certain:  <a href="http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=3159">http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=3159</a></p>

<p>Biased studies are those promulgated by the paid sexual assault cottage industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Thersites</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/03/29/target_culture_and_the_low_rape_conviction_rate#comment-9294</link>
		<dc:creator>Thersites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;even some get to trial that shouldn&#039;t.&quot;
Shouldn&#039;t as in they aren&#039;t rape or shouln&#039;t as in- like examples cited above- the investigation or the prosecution were so incompetent that the  case could not be proven? Please cite a single unbiased study that confirms that &quot;false claims are a significant problem&quot;. What constitutes an &quot;unbiase study&quot;? How can we tell it is unbiased- or is it simply that if it says &quot;false claims are a significant problem&quot; it must be unbiased?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;even some get to trial that shouldn&#8217;t.&#8221;
Shouldn&#8217;t as in they aren&#8217;t rape or shouln&#8217;t as in- like examples cited above- the investigation or the prosecution were so incompetent that the  case could not be proven? Please cite a single unbiased study that confirms that &#8220;false claims are a significant problem&#8221;. What constitutes an &#8220;unbiase study&#8221;? How can we tell it is unbiased- or is it simply that if it says &#8220;false claims are a significant problem&#8221; it must be unbiased?</p>
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		<title>By: Pierce Harlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierce Harlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly we&#039;ve reached the point in our civil discourse about rape where the persons who dominate the discourse (gender feminists) insist that every rape claim above the percentage declared fairly immediately as &quot;false&quot; must be assumed to be a &quot;rape.&quot;  I am completely serious.  This is the spin they&#039;ve put on that vast middle ground.  Many of them are unknowable, but even some get to trial that shouldn&#039;t.  The precise number is unknown.  But who cares?  Every unbiased study shows false claims are a significant problem.  Every single one.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly we&#8217;ve reached the point in our civil discourse about rape where the persons who dominate the discourse (gender feminists) insist that every rape claim above the percentage declared fairly immediately as &#8220;false&#8221; must be assumed to be a &#8220;rape.&#8221;  I am completely serious.  This is the spin they&#8217;ve put on that vast middle ground.  Many of them are unknowable, but even some get to trial that shouldn&#8217;t.  The precise number is unknown.  But who cares?  Every unbiased study shows false claims are a significant problem.  Every single one.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Pickler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Pickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Serving on a jury a couple of years ago, not in a rape case, brought home to me the importance of innocent until proved guilty. Thus you may, as a juror, be convinced that the accused did it. But that&#039;s not enough. You must be convinced that the prosecution has proved its case - not the same thing at all. So juries may acquit, not because they think the woman was lying or asking for it, but simply because the case hasn&#039;t been proved.

Another point is that if more women report as rape sex acts that in the past they themselves would have been ashamed of or thought they were asking for, then the number of convictions may go up, but the percentage get smaller.

On the target culture, you are spot on. The target culture has infected the police, hospitals and workplaces and it is insidious.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serving on a jury a couple of years ago, not in a rape case, brought home to me the importance of innocent until proved guilty. Thus you may, as a juror, be convinced that the accused did it. But that&#8217;s not enough. You must be convinced that the prosecution has proved its case - not the same thing at all. So juries may acquit, not because they think the woman was lying or asking for it, but simply because the case hasn&#8217;t been proved.</p>

<p>Another point is that if more women report as rape sex acts that in the past they themselves would have been ashamed of or thought they were asking for, then the number of convictions may go up, but the percentage get smaller.</p>

<p>On the target culture, you are spot on. The target culture has infected the police, hospitals and workplaces and it is insidious.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierce Harlan</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/03/29/target_culture_and_the_low_rape_conviction_rate#comment-9291</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierce Harlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Feminists also claim that &#039;research shows&#039; that only 3% of rape accusations are baseless . . ..&quot;

They are wrong, and many are liars. In recent years laudable efforts have been made to properly sanction nonconsensual sexual misconduct and to make reporting rape easier than ever. But in waging the war on rape, we have allowed an entire class of victim -- those wrongly accused of this vile crime -- to be treated as nothing more than collateral damage despite the grievous harm many suffer. Every unbiased, serious study ever conducted on false rape claims shows that they are a significant problem, and objectively verifiable data indicates that likely close to half of all rape claims, and possibly more, are false. Yet sexual assault counselors often disingenuously refer to false rape accusations as a &quot;myth.&quot; Victims of false rape claims cut across every socio-economic class but are almost exclusively male, and the crime of making a false rape report has become unnecessarily gender-politicized and so embroiled in the radical feminist sexual assault milieu that it has been improperly removed from the public discourse about rape. By any measure, denigrating the experience of the wrongly accused by dismissing their victimization as unworthy of our discussion, much less our protection, is not merely dishonest but morally grotesque.

Here is the reality: A certain percentage of rape claims are very quickly dismissed as &quot;false&quot; due, usually, to recantations. These are the ones officially categorized as &quot;false&quot; because they are false by any objective measure.

On the other extreme, there are a small percentage of rape claims that are prosecuted and that lead to convictions. These are the ones we reasonably believe are not false.

In between, the vast majority of rape claims are dismissed somewhere along the way because of insufficient evidence (which means there was not enough evidence to make out one or more elements of the crime, even if a trier of fact believed all the evidence presented) or the accuser decides not to pursue the claim or the jury just doesn&#039;t buy it.

Now, how should these rape claims be viewed? To suggest, as many feminists do by implication, that all of these rape claims that fall between the obviously false (due primarily to recantation) and those that end in conviction are, by necessity, &quot;rapes,&quot; is dishonest in the extreme. (And yes, they do suggest exactly that -- if they find a stat that shows only nine percent of rape claims are classified as &quot;false,&quot; they suggest that the remainder were actual rapes when this is utter nonsense.)

Is it fair, or honest, to assume that every man exonerated of a rape charge by a jury is, by necessity, a rapist just because the charge wasn&#039;t classified as &quot;false&quot; early on? The question scarcely survives its statement. And what of the claims that never even actually got to a jury -- the vast majority that are dismissed earlier, often due to fatal infirmities in the case -- how on earth can we say that these should be considered &quot;rapes&quot;? It is fair to assume that a sizable percentage of those were not actual rapes.

My website is one of the few devoted to the epidemic of false rape claims.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Feminists also claim that &#8216;research shows&#8217; that only 3% of rape accusations are baseless . . ..&#8221;</p>

<p>They are wrong, and many are liars. In recent years laudable efforts have been made to properly sanction nonconsensual sexual misconduct and to make reporting rape easier than ever. But in waging the war on rape, we have allowed an entire class of victim &#8212; those wrongly accused of this vile crime &#8212; to be treated as nothing more than collateral damage despite the grievous harm many suffer. Every unbiased, serious study ever conducted on false rape claims shows that they are a significant problem, and objectively verifiable data indicates that likely close to half of all rape claims, and possibly more, are false. Yet sexual assault counselors often disingenuously refer to false rape accusations as a &#8220;myth.&#8221; Victims of false rape claims cut across every socio-economic class but are almost exclusively male, and the crime of making a false rape report has become unnecessarily gender-politicized and so embroiled in the radical feminist sexual assault milieu that it has been improperly removed from the public discourse about rape. By any measure, denigrating the experience of the wrongly accused by dismissing their victimization as unworthy of our discussion, much less our protection, is not merely dishonest but morally grotesque.</p>

<p>Here is the reality: A certain percentage of rape claims are very quickly dismissed as &#8220;false&#8221; due, usually, to recantations. These are the ones officially categorized as &#8220;false&#8221; because they are false by any objective measure.</p>

<p>On the other extreme, there are a small percentage of rape claims that are prosecuted and that lead to convictions. These are the ones we reasonably believe are not false.</p>

<p>In between, the vast majority of rape claims are dismissed somewhere along the way because of insufficient evidence (which means there was not enough evidence to make out one or more elements of the crime, even if a trier of fact believed all the evidence presented) or the accuser decides not to pursue the claim or the jury just doesn&#8217;t buy it.</p>

<p>Now, how should these rape claims be viewed? To suggest, as many feminists do by implication, that all of these rape claims that fall between the obviously false (due primarily to recantation) and those that end in conviction are, by necessity, &#8220;rapes,&#8221; is dishonest in the extreme. (And yes, they do suggest exactly that &#8212; if they find a stat that shows only nine percent of rape claims are classified as &#8220;false,&#8221; they suggest that the remainder were actual rapes when this is utter nonsense.)</p>

<p>Is it fair, or honest, to assume that every man exonerated of a rape charge by a jury is, by necessity, a rapist just because the charge wasn&#8217;t classified as &#8220;false&#8221; early on? The question scarcely survives its statement. And what of the claims that never even actually got to a jury &#8212; the vast majority that are dismissed earlier, often due to fatal infirmities in the case &#8212; how on earth can we say that these should be considered &#8220;rapes&#8221;? It is fair to assume that a sizable percentage of those were not actual rapes.</p>

<p>My website is one of the few devoted to the epidemic of false rape claims.  <a href="http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/">http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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