The rise of British racism may be horribly close — The Spectator
Fraser Nelson goes “on the stump” (meaning, out knocking on doors) with BNP activists in Hertfordshire and discovers that people are no longer convinced that the BNP are the same racist thugs they were ten years ago, and that even local Black people are receptive to parts of their message (see page 3):
As Mr Dunne continues down the road, this is his pledge. ‘I’ll work for you, the Lib-Lab con will not.’ In itself, it’s a bland and unremarkable democratic proposition. But what strikes me is that the letters BNP are not in themselves off-putting. I wonder why until we meet a lady in the next house. ‘Only ignorant or illiterate people think the BNP is about black vs white,’ she says. ‘The BNP principles are absolutely fine. The issue is about immigration — and this government is soft in letting everyone in.’ To hear this from a swing voter is disarming, to say the least. But what makes the remark so staggering is that the woman who utters it is black.
She immigrated from Jamaica aged three, and proudly considers herself British, ‘which is why I wasn’t happy when they sprayed “NF” on my car.’ Mr Dunne sympathises. ‘My parents came here when they said “no dogs, no Irish,”’ he said. ‘But you work your way up, obey the laws.’ The lady nods. The question of racism and anxiety about immigration — so often conflated in Westminster — are totally separate matters in her mind. Not only does she not regard the BNP as racist, she believes this to be a slur.
That the BNP is racist is, of course, not a matter of opinion. It has a whites-only membership policy, for example, and while it no longer supports compulsory repatriation, there are no prizes for guessing its definition of ‘indigenous population’. But there is no hint of this on the campaign trail. The letters BNP are, to me, hatefully synonymous with racism and all its sickening implications. But the people who have BNP posters in their windows regard this primarily as a gesture of defiance, a protest, a means of throwing stones at the glass of the Palace of Westminster.
The BNP play up their so-called record on local issues (in fact, BNP councillors are notorious for incompetence) and the corruption of Westminster, and replace anti-Black rhetoric with a focus on Muslims and “political correctness” (actually, most of these stories are exaggerated), and thus do well in areas with a substantial Muslim population (however, they lose support in areas with a heavy Black population).
What the BNP really think of Black people is revealed in some of their blogs and Facebooks: one of their candidates set their Facebook status to read “Wogs go home”, while an organiser in Essex headed a blog entry about a stabbing in London with “Another teen stabbed in Coon Town” and showed a racist mock-up of the US dollar labelled “Obama Wog Dollar”. Several of their activists, including Griffin, have criminal convictions for violent and racist actions.
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The BNP sounds like any other islamophobic organization. People with criminal backgrounds who promote racism and hate Islam.
When I was in Thirsk (North Yorkshire) on Easter Monday, there was a BNP presence there - their banner read something like “800,000 Muslims are dead because of Tony Blair and George W Bush. The BNP opposed those wars - who are the real racists?”
Do you think they could be trying to appeal to antisemitic elements, by attacking wars which could be blamed on “Jewish neocons”?
It’s curious that the B.N.P. have positioned themselves as the standard protest party rather than the much more decent and sensible- and effective- Monster Raving Loonies or Greens. Anyone who supports the B.N.P. supports racists.
The BNP is an opportunist group who does mean what they say. There is no skulduggery by these people, an they all mean when they call Obama and others such names. The only problem is that there are thousands like them with even much more influence than they who share such opinions but keep their mouths shut.
Some of the people are now killers by their own right such as that Tony Blair, so then it is subjective. Doesn’t that Spectator still pay the racist bigoted Mellanie Philips?
Islam is the issue that has propelled the BNP to where it is today. If it wasn’t for 9/11 and subsequent militant and aggressive behaviour by (mainly Pakistani) Muslims in Britain then the BNP would probably be a ‘nuisance group’ on the political fringe with half a dozen councillors that has no hope in hell of getting MEPs elected. The BNP of today has no interest in dealing with the ‘black man’ or all the street crime and loutish behaviour exhibited by young West Indians in London. This is why they have no presence in places like Brent or Lambeth. Any members wishing to establish local branches in these areas to deal with the ‘black man’ are seen in the eye (he only has one) of Gri££in as Tyndallites and yesterday’s nationalists destined for expulsion. I also bet that in five years time Nick Gri££in will change the rules to allow non-Muslim ethnics to join.
” I also bet that in five years time Nick Gri££in will change the rules to allow non-Muslim ethnics to join.” Unlikely. All the evidence is that Griffin and senior B.N.P. members still hold their old racist and fascist views. They merely alter the message according to what they think will get them votes. They seem to believe that there will one day be an economic and ecological catastrophe that will force the “native” population to turn to them in despair. In fact, the B.N.P. has had muslim candidates in the past- they were “ethnically” white- by the B.N.P.’s definition- however.
Thersites,
I am a former member of the BNP who used to know glass-eye Gri££in and 5IMon his sidekick personally. If Gri££in wants to change party policy then he will do so and the dissidents will have to shut up and comply or face expulsion. Very few people know what Gri££in really believes in because he changes his ideology like a chameleon changes its colour. What is certain is that Gri££in is willing to jettison traditional policy and ideology in favour of popular opinion or to win support from the masses.
There are still a number of the ‘proper’ nationalists in the BNP who are opposed to allowing ethnics joining (and some even think white Muslims should be allowed to be members) but they are shrinking in number and power, whilst the rank and files are swelled with loyal Gri££inites who have little against non-Muslim ethnics.
Interesting comments by M Risbrook.
I shall be voting BNP on 4 June in order to show ENOUGH hatred for the Lib-Lab-Con so that they will be frightened enough into listening to the electorate which it has previously treated with such undisguised contempt.
I think it would be a good idea for Muslims to do so too.
Vote for the Greens, as some Muslims are suggesting, and the Big 3 will be shrugging their shoulders.
Vote BNP on 4 June to deliver a harder kick to the Lib-Lab-Con.
It will not be as safe to use your protet vote this way at a General Election.
“The BNP sounds like any other islamophobic organization. People with criminal backgrounds who promote racism and hate Islam.”
Quite possibly, just as there are some Muslims who are dangerous extremists.
On the other hand, just as most Muslims are not extremists, most BNP members are people who do not in fact have criminal backgrounds, who basically love their country and in some cases even think the Muslims might just have a point - about the traditional family, capital punishment. attitudes to homosexuality, the importance of religious belief…
Have patience with us, Ikram.
While we are on the subject, I would just mention the “racist grooming” videos by the BNP
http://tv.bnp.org.uk/2009/06/r.....the-truth/ http://tv.bnp.org.uk/2009/06/r.....-part-one/ http://tv.bnp.org.uk/2009/06/r.....-part-two/ http://tv.bnp.org.uk/2009/06/r.....art-three/
The BNP are complaining about other races preying on white women, who are internationally infamous for their promiscuity. This is supported by sitcoms such as Accidentally On Purpose starring Jenna Elfman to glamorise the life of a woman who gets pregnant after a one-night stand with a younger man who doesn’t have a job, based on the book by Mary Pols, who herself did the same thing.
http://www.more.com/2039/4840-.....itcom-life
If you were a sex predator wouldn’t you prey on the easier pickings of white schoolgirls whose single mums don’t care where their daughters to go, what they wear, who they go with and what time they come back?
The only way to stop this sort of thing is to:
1) enforce the law that makes it a criminal offence to have under aged sex
2) legally compel doctors to tell parents of daughters who come to them for the pill if they are under 16
3) legally compel family planning clinics to report under aged girls asking for contraceptives to the police on the grounds that giving them contraceptives is aiding and abetting under aged sex
4) tax us all less so most wives are not compelled to work and so be able to keep an eye on their daughters’ comings and goings to see that they don’t take up with unsuitable men, have under aged sex and unwanted pregnancies
5) abolish child benefit for all or withhold child benefit from unmarried parents
6) legalise brothels
Does this sound simple and commonsensical to you?
In that case, the LibLabCon are bound to ignore it, aren’t they?
Perhaps, if the BNP were really trying to be constructive, they would propose these measures in their next manifesto.
If they did they might even get the Muslim vote.
Here in Leeds, I actually did come across a women who is now a teacher that once was a prostitute and now is advocating for legal brothels and legalised prostitution. Her take on this issue is that vulnerable people will be seen and interrupted quicker than allowing them to fester such problems for much longer periods to the detriment of all society.
The other thing I wish to see is to raise the drinking and smoking age, because a city like Leeds does feel a jungle swamped with Rab C Nesbits men/women from 8pm till 4am. Living near the city, I do fear parking at my home since it has been regularly hit and damaged by people who just couldn’t stay on the footpath.
“Parked car damaged by drunken bumpers” …
I would like to see the Muslims allow 11 to 11 drinking but have citizens armed with breathalysers making citizens’ arrests of drunken pedestrians.
That would be Islamic.
I would also like Islamic drinking competitions when the contestant stops drinking when they are just short of drunk and still be able to complete their prayers and understand any sermon given.
Shall we ask for a fatwa on prostitution?
http://www.prostitutescollective.net/
I actually asked the Islamic Sharia Council for their views on direct democracy but I don’t think they understood my question.
I imagine they will say they only deal with the private concerns of individual Muslims rather than affairs of state.
Yet it is only when there is an authoritiatve and coherent Muslim view on whether a law or a government proposal conforms with Koranic principles would Islam extend its influence in this country.
There would be no need to overthrow the government with an Islamic Revolution.
A properly functioning Sharia Council that will pronounce on matters of state would do.
It is therefore time the Muslims appointed or elected themselves a mufti. Perhaps Indigo Jo will write a few words on this.
I would like Abdal Hakim Murad because he is learned, courageous and “local” (as the BNP would say).
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Ho.....6115293806
shows how you can make money out of Islam.
Andromeda (just above) says “I actually asked the Islamic Sharia Council for their views on direct democracy but I don’t think they understood my question.” Well, here’s an answer of sorts. The booklet “Introducing Islam to Non-Muslims” by Ahmad Hussein Sakr and Hussein Khalid Al-Hussein says on p.7 “It is important to mention that the principle of democracy defined as the majority ruling is not approved in Islam”.
This booklet is available in all good fascist, sorry, I meant Islamic bookshops. Phew - we can call the BNP fascist, but not Muslims, eh? Lucky I remembered to don my inverted racist hat there, else I might have got arrested.
Indigo Jo Blogs criticises of the BNP for not being too keen on blacks. Given that murder rates in countries inhabited by blacks are around vastly higher than in the UK, the BNP clearly have a grip on reality which Indigo Jo Blogs doesn’t. And then there is the catastrophic level of dishonesty in Africa – West Africa in particular (evidence below). Has Indigo Jo never noticed that most of the email scams come from Africa?
The politically correct just cannot stick reality, can they?
Evidence is thus.
Murder rate in Jamaica 30 times that of Britain, according to Trevor McDonald, ITV show: “the secret carribbean with trevor mcdonald” Sunday, 5th july 09.
“most murders in London this year were committed by foreigners” according to Scotland Yard figures obtained by The Times” Times, p.3, 1st Dec 07.
Economist, 23rd Sept 06, Technology Quarterly, p 33: article on anti-fraud software used by credit card companies, says West African countries so risky that no e-commerce using cards allowed.
According to the UN, the murder rate in the Carribean is fifteen times that of West and Central Europe. (Times leader, 30 July 08).
To reply to Ralph Musgrave:
The booklet you mention represents one viewpoint, and Islamic bookshops sell books by authors with many different viewpoints. I would not define fascism as mere anti-majoritarianism or opposition to democracy, but rather to an “integralist” form of governance in which there is a leadership cult, pervasive propaganda (and not just censorship), heavy government management of the economy and so on. Besides the obvious examples from Europe, the governments of Syria, Iran and pre-invasion Iraq could be called fascist, as could Nasserite Egypt. On the other hand, I wouldn’t call Pinochet a fascist.
The statistics you quote regarding Africa are relevant to some countries, particularly Nigeria, and not others, and similarly with the Caribbean - Jamaica and Trinidad are noted for violence and corruption, places like Barbados and Dominica much less so. Indigo Jo´s last blog ..The line between compassion and pity
Ralph Musgrave is a member of the BNP.
Prove it George Carty. I have a copy of the BNP membership list that leaked out so I know the answer.