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		<title>By: joanne</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/06/28/muslims_needs_and_the_cause_of_islam#comment-102260</link>
		<dc:creator>joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 01:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting,Jzks.</description>
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		<title>By: gess</title>
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		<dc:creator>gess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has nothing to do with Yusif&#039;s ideology (Neo-Sufis, Wala&amp;Bara, Neo-Taliban, or whatever you call it), but my problem with this guy is his attitude; all knowing, all wise White Man and saviour of the Muslim world, the Great White Man! So Yusif, just because you have Pakistani friends (most likely fled from their tyrannic landlord, from the feudal system) does that make you an expert on the region? You wrote, that you were surprised by the u-turn from &quot;conservative Muslims&quot;. Have you thought about that your friends or bloggers are not the decision makers but people from their ancestor tribe region? And the issue is not religion, but tribe and power-sharing? There is alot sh!t going on that region; far beyond you can comprehend and accommodate in your tiny White Brain. Just an advice, stay out of it or at least drop your patronizing attitude! About the Cartoon and media, are you claiming that all Muslims from every corner of the world are only occupied on news from BBC? Do you know everything what is going on every Muslim&#039;s mind? How many foreign languages do you speak? As someone said, North Tehran is not Iran, so is South London not the Ummah my friend.
Regarding Central Asia, the issue is not geography.Is Africa or Middle East part of Central Asia? Why do we have the term &lt;i&gt;Silk Road&lt;/i&gt;? Because there exists a physical Silk Road? &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Eurasia is home to most of the world’s politically assertive and dynamic states. The world’s most populous aspirants to regional hegemony, China and India, are in Eurasia, as are all the potential political or economic challengers to American primacy. After the United States, the next six largest economies and military spenders are there. Eurasia accounts for 75 percent of the world’s population; 60 percent of its GNP, and 75 percent of its energy resources. Collectively, Eurasia’s potential power overshadows even America’s.Eurasia is the world’s axial super-continent. A power that dominated Eurasia would exercise decisive influence over two of the world’s three most economically productive regions, Western Europe and East Asia. &lt;b&gt;A glance at the map also suggests that a country dominant in Eurasia would almost automatically control the Middle East and Africa.&lt;/b&gt; With Eurasia now serving as the decisive geopolitical chessboard.The distribution of power on the Eurasian landmass will be of decisive importance to America’s global primacy.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;  
I&#039;ll leave the quote up to you to figure out who wrote it. Show us what your degree is use of. 
About Juan Cole, Robert Fisk and the other White Liberal Imperialists, you only need to read their works. It is called the art of rhetoric. Being a white man and someone who has not lived through the White Man&#039;s colonialism is harder to decode the rhetoric used by White Liberals. Or maybe you know these rhetoric but in denial?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has nothing to do with Yusif&#8217;s ideology (Neo-Sufis, Wala&amp;Bara, Neo-Taliban, or whatever you call it), but my problem with this guy is his attitude; all knowing, all wise White Man and saviour of the Muslim world, the Great White Man! So Yusif, just because you have Pakistani friends (most likely fled from their tyrannic landlord, from the feudal system) does that make you an expert on the region? You wrote, that you were surprised by the u-turn from &#8220;conservative Muslims&#8221;. Have you thought about that your friends or bloggers are not the decision makers but people from their ancestor tribe region? And the issue is not religion, but tribe and power-sharing? There is alot sh!t going on that region; far beyond you can comprehend and accommodate in your tiny White Brain. Just an advice, stay out of it or at least drop your patronizing attitude! About the Cartoon and media, are you claiming that all Muslims from every corner of the world are only occupied on news from BBC? Do you know everything what is going on every Muslim&#8217;s mind? How many foreign languages do you speak? As someone said, North Tehran is not Iran, so is South London not the Ummah my friend.
Regarding Central Asia, the issue is not geography.Is Africa or Middle East part of Central Asia? Why do we have the term <i>Silk Road</i>? Because there exists a physical Silk Road? <blockquote>&#8220;Eurasia is home to most of the world’s politically assertive and dynamic states. The world’s most populous aspirants to regional hegemony, China and India, are in Eurasia, as are all the potential political or economic challengers to American primacy. After the United States, the next six largest economies and military spenders are there. Eurasia accounts for 75 percent of the world’s population; 60 percent of its GNP, and 75 percent of its energy resources. Collectively, Eurasia’s potential power overshadows even America’s.Eurasia is the world’s axial super-continent. A power that dominated Eurasia would exercise decisive influence over two of the world’s three most economically productive regions, Western Europe and East Asia. <b>A glance at the map also suggests that a country dominant in Eurasia would almost automatically control the Middle East and Africa.</b> With Eurasia now serving as the decisive geopolitical chessboard.The distribution of power on the Eurasian landmass will be of decisive importance to America’s global primacy.&#8221;</blockquote><br />
I&#8217;ll leave the quote up to you to figure out who wrote it. Show us what your degree is use of. 
About Juan Cole, Robert Fisk and the other White Liberal Imperialists, you only need to read their works. It is called the art of rhetoric. Being a white man and someone who has not lived through the White Man&#8217;s colonialism is harder to decode the rhetoric used by White Liberals. Or maybe you know these rhetoric but in denial?</p>
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		<title>By: Thersites</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/06/28/muslims_needs_and_the_cause_of_islam#comment-11368</link>
		<dc:creator>Thersites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I ahve seen absoloutely no evidence at ALL&quot;
 &quot;I am waiting to see Forensic incontravertible proof &quot;
You do know there is a difference between evidence and proof, don&#039;t you?

What new measures were introduced to speed up the count? Casting the votes before the election would certainly help do so.

Ahmenidjad&#039;s supposed popularity in Azerbaijan because of his role as a governor didn&#039;t help him in 2005. Why should it do so now? Perhaps distance made the heart grow fonder and Azeris preferred him to stay well away in Tehran. 

The fact remains that the figures this time are far more evenly spread throughout Iran than in previous elections. The claim that polla predicted 67% support for Ahmenijad is also inaccurate. Over a quarter of the people surveyed either had not decided or would not say which candidate they would support.

&quot;Again no evidence just a case of ” he said, she said”.&quot;
As the Iranian government were the he and she that said representatives of other candidates [not opposition candidates- all four candidates had to have the approval of the Supreme Leader, so they cannot be described as opposition candidates] from polling stations and from the count it&#039;s pretty good evidence that something odd was going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I ahve seen absoloutely no evidence at ALL&#8221;
 &#8220;I am waiting to see Forensic incontravertible proof &#8221;
You do know there is a difference between evidence and proof, don&#8217;t you?</p>

<p>What new measures were introduced to speed up the count? Casting the votes before the election would certainly help do so.</p>

<p>Ahmenidjad&#8217;s supposed popularity in Azerbaijan because of his role as a governor didn&#8217;t help him in 2005. Why should it do so now? Perhaps distance made the heart grow fonder and Azeris preferred him to stay well away in Tehran. </p>

<p>The fact remains that the figures this time are far more evenly spread throughout Iran than in previous elections. The claim that polla predicted 67% support for Ahmenijad is also inaccurate. Over a quarter of the people surveyed either had not decided or would not say which candidate they would support.</p>

<p>&#8220;Again no evidence just a case of ” he said, she said”.&#8221;
As the Iranian government were the he and she that said representatives of other candidates [not opposition candidates- all four candidates had to have the approval of the Supreme Leader, so they cannot be described as opposition candidates] from polling stations and from the count it&#8217;s pretty good evidence that something odd was going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Saarim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saarim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post is typical of the defeatist mindset found among many Muslims in the West, especially the Neo-Sufis and converts who want to project their Western prejudices onto Islaam.  No doubt the Taliban have many mistakes and committed many errors.  Yet, does that justify colloborating with the enemies of Islaam against them.  To dismiss the sympathy that some Muslims might feel as pandering or partisan shows the death of the aqeedah of Walaa&#039; and Baraa&#039; among your kind.  To colloborate with the kuffar against the Muslims, as the Northern Alliance, did is from the kaba&#039;ir.  Many of those who condemn the jihadist groups from the Muslims almost never condemn the secularists, liberals, and the tyrants who rule the Muslim world.  Look at the reaction when some of the Sufi du&#039;aat were attacked and the excuses that were made for them and your attacks on the Taliban.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post is typical of the defeatist mindset found among many Muslims in the West, especially the Neo-Sufis and converts who want to project their Western prejudices onto Islaam.  No doubt the Taliban have many mistakes and committed many errors.  Yet, does that justify colloborating with the enemies of Islaam against them.  To dismiss the sympathy that some Muslims might feel as pandering or partisan shows the death of the aqeedah of Walaa&#8217; and Baraa&#8217; among your kind.  To colloborate with the kuffar against the Muslims, as the Northern Alliance, did is from the kaba&#8217;ir.  Many of those who condemn the jihadist groups from the Muslims almost never condemn the secularists, liberals, and the tyrants who rule the Muslim world.  Look at the reaction when some of the Sufi du&#8217;aat were attacked and the excuses that were made for them and your attacks on the Taliban.</p>
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		<title>By: Teymur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teymur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yusuf

You seem to be making unfounded allegations regarding the events surrounding the cso called colour revolutions, there has not been conclusive proof that the Ukranian elections were rigged at all. What there has been is the claims that they were rigged by the requisitely &quot; pro western &quot; candidates being parroted ad nauseum in the western media until it becomes a truism.

For example the recent elections in Moldova another US backed attempt at a colour revoltion, where the Commies actually won the election fair and square as it has transpired but did that stop the apparatchiks in the western medai painting it as democartic protestors asserting themselves against un democartic autocrats, NO. The internatioal observers did not even indictate concern over the elections but that did not stop the &quot; self styled &quot; opposition claiming fraus, as is the case with Iran amazingly EVEN BEFORE the election had taken place.

These people obviously feel they were cheated but that does not mean that they actually were, no amount of posts on youtube or twitter will change that fact. So here is to all those Iranians to poor to spend their days tweeting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yusuf</p>

<p>You seem to be making unfounded allegations regarding the events surrounding the cso called colour revolutions, there has not been conclusive proof that the Ukranian elections were rigged at all. What there has been is the claims that they were rigged by the requisitely &#8221; pro western &#8221; candidates being parroted ad nauseum in the western media until it becomes a truism.</p>

<p>For example the recent elections in Moldova another US backed attempt at a colour revoltion, where the Commies actually won the election fair and square as it has transpired but did that stop the apparatchiks in the western medai painting it as democartic protestors asserting themselves against un democartic autocrats, NO. The internatioal observers did not even indictate concern over the elections but that did not stop the &#8221; self styled &#8221; opposition claiming fraus, as is the case with Iran amazingly EVEN BEFORE the election had taken place.</p>

<p>These people obviously feel they were cheated but that does not mean that they actually were, no amount of posts on youtube or twitter will change that fact. So here is to all those Iranians to poor to spend their days tweeting!</p>
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		<title>By: gess</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/06/28/muslims_needs_and_the_cause_of_islam#comment-11356</link>
		<dc:creator>gess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please, don&#039;t put words in my mouth if you want to continue this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please, don&#8217;t put words in my mouth if you want to continue this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Indigo Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indigo Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gess: You mean, I don&#039;t sign up to your particular dogmatic interpretation of politics.  There has only been one other so-called colour revolution in Central Asia, namely in Kyrgyzstan.  All followed rigged elections (the ex-president of Ukraine, Leonid Kuchma, was notoriously corrupt and the man who initially &#039;won&#039; was his anointed successor).  The other two were in the European parts of the former USSR: Georgia and Ukraine.  Iran is not part of the former USSR.

Every white commentator is a &quot;white liberal imperialist&quot; to you, no matter how obviously different their politics are - Richard Seymour (Lenin) is a communist, Juan Cole and Robert Fisk aren&#039;t and I suspect Cole and Fisk don&#039;t agree on an awful lot either.  The fact is that Fisk is not normally one to parrot a western government agenda and if he suspected that the protests were a CIA-orchestrated show, he would have said so.

Of course, salary does not equate to race, and I have nothing to gain by opposing or supporting Ahmadinejad.  I have no particular favouritism between Persians (like Nejad) and Azeris (like Musavi).  I could go on but it will probably go in one ear and out the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gess: You mean, I don&#8217;t sign up to your particular dogmatic interpretation of politics.  There has only been one other so-called colour revolution in Central Asia, namely in Kyrgyzstan.  All followed rigged elections (the ex-president of Ukraine, Leonid Kuchma, was notoriously corrupt and the man who initially &#8216;won&#8217; was his anointed successor).  The other two were in the European parts of the former USSR: Georgia and Ukraine.  Iran is not part of the former USSR.</p>

<p>Every white commentator is a &#8220;white liberal imperialist&#8221; to you, no matter how obviously different their politics are - Richard Seymour (Lenin) is a communist, Juan Cole and Robert Fisk aren&#8217;t and I suspect Cole and Fisk don&#8217;t agree on an awful lot either.  The fact is that Fisk is not normally one to parrot a western government agenda and if he suspected that the protests were a CIA-orchestrated show, he would have said so.</p>

<p>Of course, salary does not equate to race, and I have nothing to gain by opposing or supporting Ahmadinejad.  I have no particular favouritism between Persians (like Nejad) and Azeris (like Musavi).  I could go on but it will probably go in one ear and out the other.</p>
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		<title>By: gess</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/06/28/muslims_needs_and_the_cause_of_islam#comment-11354</link>
		<dc:creator>gess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A man who holds a degree in politics who don&#039;t understand &#039;Colour Revolution&#039; phenomenons that swept across Central Asia? Unheard! Or maybe not... Upton Sinclair once said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Change the word &#039;salary&#039; with &#039;&lt;b&gt;race&lt;/b&gt;&#039;, and BINGO!  

And double BINGO! if you can see through why White Liberal Imperialists (Robert Fisk, Lenin Tomb&#039;s, Juan Cole) cheer for Gucci Revolutions. 
.... Hint, &lt;i&gt;The White Man&#039;s Burden&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A man who holds a degree in politics who don&#8217;t understand &#8216;Colour Revolution&#8217; phenomenons that swept across Central Asia? Unheard! Or maybe not&#8230; Upton Sinclair once said:</p>

<blockquote>“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” </blockquote>

<p>Change the word &#8216;salary&#8217; with &#8216;<b>race</b>&#8217;, and BINGO!  </p>

<p>And double BINGO! if you can see through why White Liberal Imperialists (Robert Fisk, Lenin Tomb&#8217;s, Juan Cole) cheer for Gucci Revolutions. 
&#8230;. Hint, <i>The White Man&#8217;s Burden</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are the Taliban? They&#039;re not Deobandi, or Salafi - so what exactly are they? Not a good example, I can see!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are the Taliban? They&#8217;re not Deobandi, or Salafi - so what exactly are they? Not a good example, I can see!</p>
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		<title>By: Teymur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teymur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Obvious pieces of evidence: the fact that results were announced within hours of the count beginning, rather than days, as had happened with previous elections with lower turnouts; the exclusion of representatives of other candidates from poliing stations and from the count; the fact that in a country as large and ethnically and linguistically diverse as Iran Ahmenijad received about two thirds of the vote everywhere, including provinces where he had received less than twenty percent of the vote at previous elections. It’s notable that all three nonelected candidates have made claims of fraud.&quot;

Well no not obvious pieces of evidence pure insinuation and conjecture actually, only a biased mind would call that forensic evidence, remember the burden of proof you need to overturn a poll. Otherwise you would have any group ( mostly self styled elites) with a sense of entitlement rampaging in the vain notion that they MUST have won. No the vote of Ahmadi Nejad shifted by 1%, additionally nearly every pre election poll predicted an Ahmadi Nejad win, the Wahington Post poll incidentally predicted a 2/1 win to AM.       

Dealing with your points 

1) Speed of the count: well if you had been observing the election the ministry had announced new measures to greatly speed up the count weeks before the count. Also even if we accept the notion the speed of the count must point to fraud then explain why Mousavi&#039;s greatest contention is that he was told a mere 3HOURS AFTER the polls had closed that he had won in fact he was the first one to claim victory. How could he have known he had won in such a short time? Again conjecture not proof.

2) Ethnic provinces: Actually another falsehood he never won by a two thirds majority everywhere for example in Tehran province he only just scraped it.
Also the ethnic issue is another false flag, the main contention seems to be because Mousavi is Azeri the Azeri must have votee for him, well no . Ahmadinejad was a one time governor of West Azerbaijan so you would assume he had significant support amongst Azeri&#039;s to defeat an Azeri candidate there, additionally AM passed legislation to give greater prominence to the Azeri language in the civil, educational and leagal spheres.

3) Exclusion of Oppossition reps: Again no evidence just a case of &quot;  he said, she said&quot;.

Again I dont discount the idea that fraud occured but I am waiting to see Forensic incontravertible proof beyond the usual anomalies that takes place in a mass poll ( RE: Indian elections)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Obvious pieces of evidence: the fact that results were announced within hours of the count beginning, rather than days, as had happened with previous elections with lower turnouts; the exclusion of representatives of other candidates from poliing stations and from the count; the fact that in a country as large and ethnically and linguistically diverse as Iran Ahmenijad received about two thirds of the vote everywhere, including provinces where he had received less than twenty percent of the vote at previous elections. It’s notable that all three nonelected candidates have made claims of fraud.&#8221;</p>

<p>Well no not obvious pieces of evidence pure insinuation and conjecture actually, only a biased mind would call that forensic evidence, remember the burden of proof you need to overturn a poll. Otherwise you would have any group ( mostly self styled elites) with a sense of entitlement rampaging in the vain notion that they MUST have won. No the vote of Ahmadi Nejad shifted by 1%, additionally nearly every pre election poll predicted an Ahmadi Nejad win, the Wahington Post poll incidentally predicted a 2/1 win to AM.       </p>

<p>Dealing with your points </p>

<p>1) Speed of the count: well if you had been observing the election the ministry had announced new measures to greatly speed up the count weeks before the count. Also even if we accept the notion the speed of the count must point to fraud then explain why Mousavi&#8217;s greatest contention is that he was told a mere 3HOURS AFTER the polls had closed that he had won in fact he was the first one to claim victory. How could he have known he had won in such a short time? Again conjecture not proof.</p>

<p>2) Ethnic provinces: Actually another falsehood he never won by a two thirds majority everywhere for example in Tehran province he only just scraped it.
Also the ethnic issue is another false flag, the main contention seems to be because Mousavi is Azeri the Azeri must have votee for him, well no . Ahmadinejad was a one time governor of West Azerbaijan so you would assume he had significant support amongst Azeri&#8217;s to defeat an Azeri candidate there, additionally AM passed legislation to give greater prominence to the Azeri language in the civil, educational and leagal spheres.</p>

<p>3) Exclusion of Oppossition reps: Again no evidence just a case of &#8221;  he said, she said&#8221;.</p>

<p>Again I dont discount the idea that fraud occured but I am waiting to see Forensic incontravertible proof beyond the usual anomalies that takes place in a mass poll ( RE: Indian elections)</p>
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