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		<title>By: Thersites</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/07/08/soaked_in_blood_indeed#comment-12226</link>
		<dc:creator>Thersites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; they were the initiators and the catalysts of all the calamities that have happened in that country.&quot;
I see. Saddam Hussein is innocent O.K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; they were the initiators and the catalysts of all the calamities that have happened in that country.&#8221;
I see. Saddam Hussein is innocent O.K.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/07/08/soaked_in_blood_indeed#comment-12209</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever excuses you make does not change the fact that there is more blood on the hands of the UK and US then there ever will be on anyone else&#039;s - because they were the initiators and the catalysts of all the calamities that have happened in that country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever excuses you make does not change the fact that there is more blood on the hands of the UK and US then there ever will be on anyone else&#8217;s - because they were the initiators and the catalysts of all the calamities that have happened in that country.</p>
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		<title>By: Thersites</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/07/08/soaked_in_blood_indeed#comment-12185</link>
		<dc:creator>Thersites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The deaths in the various Kurdish rebellions and the southern Iraqi rebellion and supression after the Iraqi expulsion from Kuwait were pretty big. Add the attritional death rate of normal Ba&#039;athist politics and you&#039;d have a steady  total.  The motives for the invasion were- to say the least- confused, but if it really was inspired by &quot;resources&quot; alone it was completely unnecessary; it would have been perfectly easy to deal directly with Saddam, whose only principle was the retention of his own power.

The sunnis were not &quot;disenfranchised&quot; after the invasion; they lost their previous monopoly of political power- a rather different matter- and how is &quot;Shia retribution for Saddam ... followed by tit-for-tat revenge attacks&quot; not Muslim-on-Muslim violence?
Certainly Britain and the U.S.A. helped create conditions in contemporary Iraq, but it is absurd to speak as if the Iraqis themselves had no part in it and that everything that happened in Iraq happened regardless of them an their desires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The deaths in the various Kurdish rebellions and the southern Iraqi rebellion and supression after the Iraqi expulsion from Kuwait were pretty big. Add the attritional death rate of normal Ba&#8217;athist politics and you&#8217;d have a steady  total.  The motives for the invasion were- to say the least- confused, but if it really was inspired by &#8220;resources&#8221; alone it was completely unnecessary; it would have been perfectly easy to deal directly with Saddam, whose only principle was the retention of his own power.</p>

<p>The sunnis were not &#8220;disenfranchised&#8221; after the invasion; they lost their previous monopoly of political power- a rather different matter- and how is &#8220;Shia retribution for Saddam &#8230; followed by tit-for-tat revenge attacks&#8221; not Muslim-on-Muslim violence?
Certainly Britain and the U.S.A. helped create conditions in contemporary Iraq, but it is absurd to speak as if the Iraqis themselves had no part in it and that everything that happened in Iraq happened regardless of them an their desires.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/07/08/soaked_in_blood_indeed#comment-12128</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if you compare the relative causalty rate before and after the ILLEGAL Western invasion and occupation of Iraq, the statistics will speak for themselves. We have a tendency to forget those maimed by Western weaponry, those forced into prostitution because of being made refugees, the innocent children killed and the infrastructure demolished. We can overlook it as the Western oil companies go back into Iraq for the reward, and forget Alan Greenspan&#039;s comments that this war WAS resource-oriented i.e. about oil.

It is very easy to box it into Muslim-on-Muslim violence (it has in fact been Shia retribution for Saddam as the Sunni population was basically disenfranchised thanks to the Western alliance, followed by tit-for-tat revenge attacks). 

Who created the conditions for present-day (and future) Iraq? Britain and the U.S. I understand that these comments digress slightly from the topic at hand, but I always keep hold of these facts when I see this kind of media commentary and offhand comments by people from the invading countries who still maintain some sort of illusion that they are a benevolent party to all this. It stinks of hypocrisy and ignorance, and to me illustrates the base stupidity inherent in all humanity - something which must always be challenged and overcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if you compare the relative causalty rate before and after the ILLEGAL Western invasion and occupation of Iraq, the statistics will speak for themselves. We have a tendency to forget those maimed by Western weaponry, those forced into prostitution because of being made refugees, the innocent children killed and the infrastructure demolished. We can overlook it as the Western oil companies go back into Iraq for the reward, and forget Alan Greenspan&#8217;s comments that this war WAS resource-oriented i.e. about oil.</p>

<p>It is very easy to box it into Muslim-on-Muslim violence (it has in fact been Shia retribution for Saddam as the Sunni population was basically disenfranchised thanks to the Western alliance, followed by tit-for-tat revenge attacks).</p>

<p>Who created the conditions for present-day (and future) Iraq? Britain and the U.S. I understand that these comments digress slightly from the topic at hand, but I always keep hold of these facts when I see this kind of media commentary and offhand comments by people from the invading countries who still maintain some sort of illusion that they are a benevolent party to all this. It stinks of hypocrisy and ignorance, and to me illustrates the base stupidity inherent in all humanity - something which must always be challenged and overcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/07/08/soaked_in_blood_indeed#comment-12126</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indigo I was not talking to you, more aimed at Gupta. I was just pointing out the absurdity of her comments from a position of moral relativity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indigo I was not talking to you, more aimed at Gupta. I was just pointing out the absurdity of her comments from a position of moral relativity.</p>
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		<title>By: Thersites</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/07/08/soaked_in_blood_indeed#comment-12084</link>
		<dc:creator>Thersites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There’s an excellent chance we wanted Iraqis killing each other and set about causing it.&quot;
Who are &quot;we&quot;, Daniel? 
Even if someone did want Iraqis killing each other they had no need to cause it: it was happening on a large scale before the invasion, eswpecially in therevolts of shias and Kurds and Saddam and the Ba&#039;athists&#039; responses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There’s an excellent chance we wanted Iraqis killing each other and set about causing it.&#8221;
Who are &#8220;we&#8221;, Daniel? 
Even if someone did want Iraqis killing each other they had no need to cause it: it was happening on a large scale before the invasion, eswpecially in therevolts of shias and Kurds and Saddam and the Ba&#8217;athists&#8217; responses.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Guardian must have put tongue in cheek allowing Jeffries to make the insulting and misogynist claim that &quot;a western fashion victim is as much a sartorial prisoner as a woman in a burka&quot;. It&#039;s idiocy is plain for all to see.

But to attack Gupta (a &quot;confused ramble&quot;) for objecting to it is beyond stupid - if you think her argument doesn&#039;t answer the case properly then attack the Guardian for not finding someone better.

There&#039;s an excellent chance we wanted Iraqis killing each other and set about causing it. (The incident of the two &quot;British&quot; rescued from that police station in Basra was particularly suspicious). However, just because we want extremism and misery in Iraq is no excuse for condoning it in Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Guardian must have put tongue in cheek allowing Jeffries to make the insulting and misogynist claim that &#8220;a western fashion victim is as much a sartorial prisoner as a woman in a burka&#8221;. It&#8217;s idiocy is plain for all to see.</p>

<p>But to attack Gupta (a &#8220;confused ramble&#8221;) for objecting to it is beyond stupid - if you think her argument doesn&#8217;t answer the case properly then attack the Guardian for not finding someone better.</p>

<p>There&#8217;s an excellent chance we wanted Iraqis killing each other and set about causing it. (The incident of the two &#8220;British&#8221; rescued from that police station in Basra was particularly suspicious). However, just because we want extremism and misery in Iraq is no excuse for condoning it in Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Pickler</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/07/08/soaked_in_blood_indeed#comment-12001</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Pickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;most of the blood is on the hands of Iraqis.&lt;/i&gt;
Indeed. More Muslims are killed by other Muslims than by non-Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>most of the blood is on the hands of Iraqis.</i>
Indeed. More Muslims are killed by other Muslims than by non-Muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: Thersites</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/07/08/soaked_in_blood_indeed#comment-11896</link>
		<dc:creator>Thersites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most atrocities committed in Iraq were committed by mainly muslim Iraqis on mainly muslim Iraqis. Certainly, the U.S. and British governments were remarkably stupid to invade Iraq and give them the opportunity to kill one another and bear the blame for giving them that opportunity but most of the blood is on the hands of Iraqis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most atrocities committed in Iraq were committed by mainly muslim Iraqis on mainly muslim Iraqis. Certainly, the U.S. and British governments were remarkably stupid to invade Iraq and give them the opportunity to kill one another and bear the blame for giving them that opportunity but most of the blood is on the hands of Iraqis.</p>
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		<title>By: Indigo Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indigo Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Random Guy: I don&#039;t know if you mean me or Gupta.  However, it is quite possible that she was against the invasion of Iraq, as there was massive opposition to it (and the biggest demonstration in London for ages).  It was supported by one or two corners of the intellectual elite and hardly anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random Guy: I don&#8217;t know if you mean me or Gupta.  However, it is quite possible that she was against the invasion of Iraq, as there was massive opposition to it (and the biggest demonstration in London for ages).  It was supported by one or two corners of the intellectual elite and hardly anyone else.</p>
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