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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/08/24/if_it_looks_like_a_bloke#comment-14075</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allah knows best.</description>
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		<title>By: Alessandra</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/08/24/if_it_looks_like_a_bloke#comment-14019</link>
		<dc:creator>Alessandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon - for your info, the IAAF no longer solely checks chromosomes to determine the sex of an athlete. But what you mostly display not knowing anything about is how doping works and how it relates to hormonal levels.

For a magnificent read on the subject:

http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/43/7/1262
 
&quot;Hormonal doping and androgenization of athletes: a secret program of the German Democratic Republic government&quot;

Werner W. Franke1,a and Brigitte Berendonk2

1 Division of Cell Biology/0110, German Cancer Research Center, Im Neuenheimer Feld 280, D-69120 Heidelberg, Germany.

2 Hölderlin High School, Heidelberg, Germany.
a Author for correspondence. Fax 49-6221-423404.


Abstract

Several classified documents saved after the collapse of the German Democratic Republic (GDR) in 1990 describe the promotion by the government of the use of drugs, notably androgenic steroids, in high-performance sports (doping). Top-secret doctoral theses, scientific reports, progress reports of grants, proceedings from symposia of experts, and reports of physicians and scientists who served as unofficial collaborators for the Ministry for State Security (&quot;Stasi&quot;) reveal that from 1966 on, hundreds of physicians and scientists, including top-ranking professors, performed doping research and administered prescription drugs as well as unapproved experimental drug preparations. Several thousand athletes were treated with androgens every year, including minors of each sex. Special emphasis was placed on administering androgens to women and adolescent girls because this practice proved to be particularly effective for sports performance. Damaging side effects were recorded, some of which required surgical or medical intervention. In addition, several prominent scientists and sports physicians of the GDR contributed to the development of methods of drug administration that would evade detection by international doping controls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon - for your info, the IAAF no longer solely checks chromosomes to determine the sex of an athlete. But what you mostly display not knowing anything about is how doping works and how it relates to hormonal levels.</p>

<p>For a magnificent read on the subject:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/43/7/1262">http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/43/7/1262</a></p>

<p>&#8220;Hormonal doping and androgenization of athletes: a secret program of the German Democratic Republic government&#8221;</p>

<p>Werner W. Franke1,a and Brigitte Berendonk2</p>

<p>1 Division of Cell Biology/0110, German Cancer Research Center, Im Neuenheimer Feld 280, D-69120 Heidelberg, Germany.</p>

<p>2 Hölderlin High School, Heidelberg, Germany.
a Author for correspondence. Fax 49-6221-423404.</p>

<p>Abstract</p>

<p>Several classified documents saved after the collapse of the German Democratic Republic (GDR) in 1990 describe the promotion by the government of the use of drugs, notably androgenic steroids, in high-performance sports (doping). Top-secret doctoral theses, scientific reports, progress reports of grants, proceedings from symposia of experts, and reports of physicians and scientists who served as unofficial collaborators for the Ministry for State Security (&#8220;Stasi&#8221;) reveal that from 1966 on, hundreds of physicians and scientists, including top-ranking professors, performed doping research and administered prescription drugs as well as unapproved experimental drug preparations. Several thousand athletes were treated with androgens every year, including minors of each sex. Special emphasis was placed on administering androgens to women and adolescent girls because this practice proved to be particularly effective for sports performance. Damaging side effects were recorded, some of which required surgical or medical intervention. In addition, several prominent scientists and sports physicians of the GDR contributed to the development of methods of drug administration that would evade detection by international doping controls.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/08/24/if_it_looks_like_a_bloke#comment-14010</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alessandra

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think by your article that you are not aware of the latest Semenya allegations about high testosterone levels &lt;/blockquote&gt;

What? I have extremely low levels of natural testosterone due to a fairly common chromosome disorder. That doesn&#039;t make me female, although some XXY men do exhibit more female traits. In reality, about 1 in 1000 males have an extra X chromosome, so it&#039;s quite widespread. 

I&#039;m no expert on female chromosome disorders and other conditions, but my experience of XXY leads me to conclude that this individual could quite easily be female. When Santhi Soundarajan was stripped of her silver medal at the Asian Games in 2006 it was because she had &quot;abnormal chromosomes&quot; or &quot;more Y chromosomes than allowed&quot;, although the gynecologist and psychologist concluded she was female. 

What a shame our teachers told us that men have XY chromosomes and women XX chromosomes, and just left it at that. It makes life nice and simple for people with simple minds, but Allah made us diverse and granted all of us our tests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alessandra</p>

<blockquote>I think by your article that you are not aware of the latest Semenya allegations about high testosterone levels </blockquote>

<p>What? I have extremely low levels of natural testosterone due to a fairly common chromosome disorder. That doesn&#8217;t make me female, although some XXY men do exhibit more female traits. In reality, about 1 in 1000 males have an extra X chromosome, so it&#8217;s quite widespread. </p>

<p>I&#8217;m no expert on female chromosome disorders and other conditions, but my experience of XXY leads me to conclude that this individual could quite easily be female. When Santhi Soundarajan was stripped of her silver medal at the Asian Games in 2006 it was because she had &#8220;abnormal chromosomes&#8221; or &#8220;more Y chromosomes than allowed&#8221;, although the gynecologist and psychologist concluded she was female. </p>

<p>What a shame our teachers told us that men have XY chromosomes and women XX chromosomes, and just left it at that. It makes life nice and simple for people with simple minds, but Allah made us diverse and granted all of us our tests.</p>
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		<title>By: sabiwabi</title>
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		<dc:creator>sabiwabi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever the case may be, I feel for this poor girl.  For heaven&#039;s sake she&#039;s only 18!  I can&#039;t imagine the humiliation she must be feeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever the case may be, I feel for this poor girl.  For heaven&#8217;s sake she&#8217;s only 18!  I can&#8217;t imagine the humiliation she must be feeling.</p>
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		<title>By: Alessandra</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/08/24/if_it_looks_like_a_bloke#comment-13931</link>
		<dc:creator>Alessandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Those who knew her in South Africa, as already stated, are in no doubt that Semenya is female. Many think the controversy absurd, with one woman in her village saying, “she played with my girl. I’ve got no doubts. She wears panties”. She played football in an otherwise all-male team, and her team-mates remember that she would change away from the men on the team. Nobody disputes that she was a tomboy, that she never wore skirts after a certain age, and that she failed to develop breasts, which does suggest that there are medical reasons behind her masculine appearance.&quot;

The principal in her school said he thought she was a boy until she was 11. And aside from her family and a few people who knew her when she was young, I didn&#039;t see any interviews with anyone from her current university, anyone who interacts with Semenya now. I find this more than odd, just another suspicious element in this case. In the only interview I saw of &quot;her,&quot; she gives me the impression to have matured into a him, not a her, in terms of identity and gender, not to mention all the male physical and voice aspects already extensively discussed in the media. This would explain why, when she was young, she was put with the girls and dressed as a girl and thought to be a girl. But as she matured, &quot;she&quot; began to develop towards a male psychology and identity.

http://www.sbs.com.au/blogarticle/112372/Athletics&#039;-crying-game

And I also have the impression she is no little clueless victim, no little &quot;girl&quot; who all of a sudden has been told she looks like a grown man. Semenya is not blind. 

I think by your article that you are not aware of the latest Semenya  allegations about high testosterone levels and a doping-tainted head coach.

Anyways, I enjoyed your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Those who knew her in South Africa, as already stated, are in no doubt that Semenya is female. Many think the controversy absurd, with one woman in her village saying, “she played with my girl. I’ve got no doubts. She wears panties”. She played football in an otherwise all-male team, and her team-mates remember that she would change away from the men on the team. Nobody disputes that she was a tomboy, that she never wore skirts after a certain age, and that she failed to develop breasts, which does suggest that there are medical reasons behind her masculine appearance.&#8221;</p>

<p>The principal in her school said he thought she was a boy until she was 11. And aside from her family and a few people who knew her when she was young, I didn&#8217;t see any interviews with anyone from her current university, anyone who interacts with Semenya now. I find this more than odd, just another suspicious element in this case. In the only interview I saw of &#8220;her,&#8221; she gives me the impression to have matured into a him, not a her, in terms of identity and gender, not to mention all the male physical and voice aspects already extensively discussed in the media. This would explain why, when she was young, she was put with the girls and dressed as a girl and thought to be a girl. But as she matured, &#8220;she&#8221; began to develop towards a male psychology and identity.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.sbs.com.au/blogarticle/112372/Athletics&#039;-crying-game">http://www.sbs.com.au/blogarticle/112372/Athletics&#039;-crying-game</a></p>

<p>And I also have the impression she is no little clueless victim, no little &#8220;girl&#8221; who all of a sudden has been told she looks like a grown man. Semenya is not blind. </p>

<p>I think by your article that you are not aware of the latest Semenya  allegations about high testosterone levels and a doping-tainted head coach.</p>

<p>Anyways, I enjoyed your post.</p>
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