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		<title>By: DrM</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/10/06/a_powerful_man_humiliates_a_young_girl#comment-16024</link>
		<dc:creator>DrM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pRickler says &quot;A schoolgirl shouldn’t be hiding her face - that’s all there is to it.&lt;

She&#039;s not obligated to show it to you or anyone. Her job is to excel in her studies not placate senile sycophants pretending to be scholars, or retarded British racists like yourself. 
Take a hike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pRickler says &#8220;A schoolgirl shouldn’t be hiding her face - that’s all there is to it.&lt;</p>

<p>She&#039;s not obligated to show it to you or anyone. Her job is to excel in her studies not placate senile sycophants pretending to be scholars, or retarded British racists like yourself. 
Take a hike.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Pickler</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/10/06/a_powerful_man_humiliates_a_young_girl#comment-15920</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Pickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A schoolgirl shouldn&#039;t be hiding her face - that&#039;s all there is to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A schoolgirl shouldn&#8217;t be hiding her face - that&#8217;s all there is to it.</p>
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		<title>By: srizals</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/10/06/a_powerful_man_humiliates_a_young_girl#comment-15918</link>
		<dc:creator>srizals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As we Muslims argue on things of furu&#039;, our enemies are laughing at us. Who&#039;s the bigot then? Embrace differences. Interpretations would be different of course. It depends on our knowledge and the wisdom that is given to us by Allah. Never think too highly of yourself. It is a small opening of evil that would open the door to bigger flaws. May Allah guide us always.I am a proud member of the followers of the ways of Muhammad, the union of Muslims, ahlul sunnah wal jamaah. My prophet&#039;s genuine hadith, and Al Quran that he has brought to me is my guide. Nothing and no one is above them. Go against them, then you are obsolete! Don&#039;t be blinded by wisdom unguided by these two. They are the criterion of right n wrong, remember? Muslims would evolved into 73 sections of thoughts, only one is going to heaven. Have you check out your reality lately?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we Muslims argue on things of furu&#8217;, our enemies are laughing at us. Who&#8217;s the bigot then? Embrace differences. Interpretations would be different of course. It depends on our knowledge and the wisdom that is given to us by Allah. Never think too highly of yourself. It is a small opening of evil that would open the door to bigger flaws. May Allah guide us always.I am a proud member of the followers of the ways of Muhammad, the union of Muslims, ahlul sunnah wal jamaah. My prophet&#8217;s genuine hadith, and Al Quran that he has brought to me is my guide. Nothing and no one is above them. Go against them, then you are obsolete! Don&#8217;t be blinded by wisdom unguided by these two. They are the criterion of right n wrong, remember? Muslims would evolved into 73 sections of thoughts, only one is going to heaven. Have you check out your reality lately?</p>
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		<title>By: Egypt cleric &apos;to ban full veils&apos; &#171; Ginny&#39;s Thoughts &#38; Things</title>
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		<dc:creator>Egypt cleric &apos;to ban full veils&apos; &#171; Ginny&#39;s Thoughts &#38; Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2: It seems that Yusuf has also weighed in on this (here and here), as well as Seeking Ilm, and MuslimMatters. And it also seems that per Yusuf&#8217;s and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 2: It seems that Yusuf has also weighed in on this (here and here), as well as Seeking Ilm, and MuslimMatters. And it also seems that per Yusuf&#8217;s and [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Goolam Dawood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goolam Dawood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we transgress. Leedslad has his points. I think many conservatives are selective with their evidences and tend to require alot on the the meaning/tafseer in brackets rather than the actual wording of the Quraan an Hadeeth. But that&#039;s just me.

These are all the way we understand the revelation anyway. Many of the counter points are clear. We understand that the ulema have differing and constantly evolving positions. But most importantly, face covered or not, noone has transgressed the limits as we understand them.

This is not about the niqaab. Its about a scholar impeding on societies right to practice the deen within its limits and undermining some very fundamental Islamic and Human rights. Its about a mufti becoming public morality/cultural police and that&#039;s unacceptable.

As for the outrage, I&#039;m always a troubled by the double standard of muslim moral outrage. Muslim women around the world are suffering far worse humiliations and very little outrage is expressed. This girl removed her veil. Sisters are being murdered, denied education and work. Murderers are slipping by the wayside because of manipulations of fiqh and the culture of honour killing, and not even a shout. And there are opinions in the madhab that defend the father that kills his children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we transgress. Leedslad has his points. I think many conservatives are selective with their evidences and tend to require alot on the the meaning/tafseer in brackets rather than the actual wording of the Quraan an Hadeeth. But that&#8217;s just me.</p>

<p>These are all the way we understand the revelation anyway. Many of the counter points are clear. We understand that the ulema have differing and constantly evolving positions. But most importantly, face covered or not, noone has transgressed the limits as we understand them.</p>

<p>This is not about the niqaab. Its about a scholar impeding on societies right to practice the deen within its limits and undermining some very fundamental Islamic and Human rights. Its about a mufti becoming public morality/cultural police and that&#8217;s unacceptable.</p>

<p>As for the outrage, I&#8217;m always a troubled by the double standard of muslim moral outrage. Muslim women around the world are suffering far worse humiliations and very little outrage is expressed. This girl removed her veil. Sisters are being murdered, denied education and work. Murderers are slipping by the wayside because of manipulations of fiqh and the culture of honour killing, and not even a shout. And there are opinions in the madhab that defend the father that kills his children.</p>
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		<title>By: s.ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>s.ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol. Leed7 lad maybe ur warped interpretations lead u out of islam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol. Leed7 lad maybe ur warped interpretations lead u out of islam</p>
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		<title>By: LeedsLad</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeedsLad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 09:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, the preceding verse of the one quoted by &quot;muslim reader&quot;  says:
33:58 those who annoy believing men and believing women without just reason, bear on themselves a slander and a gross sin.

The next verse discusses the threats Muslims faced when living amongst those who wish to bring harm to the Muslim communities. You used:
&quot;to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies &quot;

Veils did exist pre-Islam, yet the verse properly translated from the time it was revealed would correctly mean &quot;lengthen outer garments&quot; and not &quot;draw ..cloaks...&quot;.

This is the honest translation minus the Pagan/Hindu and Arab supremacism:
O Prophet, Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should lengthen their outer garments over their persons(when abroad): in most convenient, recognisable manner and not molested.

So how is walking around with a gothic tent &quot;convenient&quot; or &quot;recognisable&quot;?

Islam began as an open source faith, yet such attitudes and misrepresentations have turned it into a dark art. We should encourage transparency and professionalism rather than hiding behind veils made in China.

I am pretty peed off with both sides, nor do I ask those under my right hand to wear such cloths to feel &quot;complete&quot; or mock those who choose to wear such cloths. Please stick to the spirit of Islam only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, the preceding verse of the one quoted by &#8220;muslim reader&#8221;  says:
33:58 those who annoy believing men and believing women without just reason, bear on themselves a slander and a gross sin.</p>

<p>The next verse discusses the threats Muslims faced when living amongst those who wish to bring harm to the Muslim communities. You used:
&#8220;to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies &#8220;</p>

<p>Veils did exist pre-Islam, yet the verse properly translated from the time it was revealed would correctly mean &#8220;lengthen outer garments&#8221; and not &#8220;draw ..cloaks&#8230;&#8221;.</p>

<p>This is the honest translation minus the Pagan/Hindu and Arab supremacism:
O Prophet, Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should lengthen their outer garments over their persons(when abroad): in most convenient, recognisable manner and not molested.</p>

<p>So how is walking around with a gothic tent &#8220;convenient&#8221; or &#8220;recognisable&#8221;?</p>

<p>Islam began as an open source faith, yet such attitudes and misrepresentations have turned it into a dark art. We should encourage transparency and professionalism rather than hiding behind veils made in China.</p>

<p>I am pretty peed off with both sides, nor do I ask those under my right hand to wear such cloths to feel &#8220;complete&#8221; or mock those who choose to wear such cloths. Please stick to the spirit of Islam only.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 06:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is exactly why the Ulema should work outside the state apparatus...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly why the Ulema should work outside the state apparatus&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: muslim reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>muslim reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leedslad, the Quran verse 33:59 (which Abul Layth quoted) states:

[Quran 033:059] O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allâh is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leedslad, the Quran verse 33:59 (which Abul Layth quoted) states:</p>

<p>[Quran 033:059] O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allâh is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.</p>
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		<title>By: LeedsLad</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeedsLad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good example of how Islam has been raped can be read from the poster called &quot;Abu Layth&quot;. In the verse you quoted, it says &quot;those who believe [in the Oneness of Allah, and in His Messenger Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) including all obligations ordered by Islam] &lt;b&gt;and do righteous&lt;/b&gt;&quot;.

Allah will not show favours to one just for &quot;believing&quot; but also for righteousness. Hence, mother Teresa has a much better chance of being amongst the best of people than a Muslim taking part in the culling or humiliations of people he/she assumes not to be serving his/her interests. Neither is a Muslim that who enjoys a middle class existence in Saudi Arabia who chooses to go abroad and bring misery to dirt poor Muslims in countries such as Afghanistan.

Was it not an Egyptian Mullah who once said black women need not wear hijab as their kinky hairs was deemed unattractive in the eyes of an Arab colonialist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good example of how Islam has been raped can be read from the poster called &#8220;Abu Layth&#8221;. In the verse you quoted, it says &#8220;those who believe [in the Oneness of Allah, and in His Messenger Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) including all obligations ordered by Islam] <b>and do righteous</b>&#8221;.</p>

<p>Allah will not show favours to one just for &#8220;believing&#8221; but also for righteousness. Hence, mother Teresa has a much better chance of being amongst the best of people than a Muslim taking part in the culling or humiliations of people he/she assumes not to be serving his/her interests. Neither is a Muslim that who enjoys a middle class existence in Saudi Arabia who chooses to go abroad and bring misery to dirt poor Muslims in countries such as Afghanistan.</p>

<p>Was it not an Egyptian Mullah who once said black women need not wear hijab as their kinky hairs was deemed unattractive in the eyes of an Arab colonialist?</p>
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