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		<title>By: Salman</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/10/25/splitters#comment-17269</link>
		<dc:creator>Salman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad al-Muhajiround decided to call off their march. 
I also think its not very constructive to start calling people Murtadh.
Interesting book, Abu Yunus. Jzk
.-= Salman ´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://rumoured.wordpress.com/2009/10/31/valley-of-the-wolves-iraq/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Valley of the Wolves Iraq&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad al-Muhajiround decided to call off their march. 
I also think its not very constructive to start calling people Murtadh.
Interesting book, Abu Yunus. Jzk
.-= Salman ´s last blog ..<a href="http://rumoured.wordpress.com/2009/10/31/valley-of-the-wolves-iraq/">Valley of the Wolves Iraq</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Yunus</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/10/25/splitters#comment-17063</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Yunus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.amazon.co.uk/Critical-Multiple-Identities-Disguises-al-Muhajiroun/dp/0955109949</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Critical-Multiple-Identities-Disguises-al-Muhajiroun/dp/0955109949">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Critical-Multiple-Identities-Disguises-al-Muhajiroun/dp/0955109949</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ibnnadam</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/10/25/splitters#comment-16805</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibnnadam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh can&#039;t forget the English Defense League i.e. the BNP and all the off shoots as well! lol! Now this is definitely a Monty Python sketch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh can&#8217;t forget the English Defense League i.e. the BNP and all the off shoots as well! lol! Now this is definitely a Monty Python sketch!</p>
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		<title>By: Ibnnadam</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/10/25/splitters#comment-16803</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibnnadam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Effendi, we may be have having a counter-counter demonstration against those who use al Muhajiroun and the BNP as a red herring . What do you think ? 

:) 

Yeah this is going to be wonderful. About 80-100 from al Muhajiroun, another separate demo from Inayat, I would put it at about another 80, and another 30-40 from the CSC-BMSD-CIVITAS-Gay Muslim Front( O.k. I made that one up)-Friends of Israel (I mean Shiraz Maher may be there, who knows ?) alliance. 

Oh, because Douglas Murray thinks that the Quilliam Foundation is now the problem, those of the Friends of Douglas Murray alliance may have problems if it is hijacked by &quot;secret spies&quot; i.e. rejects of the Quilliam Foundation (none other than the fraud Rashad himself)

Still, at least it may be entertaining. 

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Effendi, we may be have having a counter-counter demonstration against those who use al Muhajiroun and the BNP as a red herring . What do you think ? </p>

<p>:) </p>

<p>Yeah this is going to be wonderful. About 80-100 from al Muhajiroun, another separate demo from Inayat, I would put it at about another 80, and another 30-40 from the CSC-BMSD-CIVITAS-Gay Muslim Front( O.k. I made that one up)-Friends of Israel (I mean Shiraz Maher may be there, who knows ?) alliance. </p>

<p>Oh, because Douglas Murray thinks that the Quilliam Foundation is now the problem, those of the Friends of Douglas Murray alliance may have problems if it is hijacked by &#8220;secret spies&#8221; i.e. rejects of the Quilliam Foundation (none other than the fraud Rashad himself)</p>

<p>Still, at least it may be entertaining. </p>

<p>:)</p>
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		<title>By: Ibnnadam</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/10/25/splitters#comment-16800</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibnnadam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@LeedLads

Please do not misquote me. I said that the group &quot; British Muslims for Secular Democracy &quot; do not represent Sunni Islam! i.e. the group and you presented it as a misquote. i.e. I said &quot;Democracy does not represent Sunni Islam&quot; 

I am just baffled by someone who is a murtad claiming to be part of the Muslim community! lol! What next a 4 sided triangle ? Ha Ha! I have no concern about what you think of my blog because obviously we have vastly different moral compasses. Let us start with the basics, murtad. 

Do you believe in a God ? I say this because this premise would be a problem, you see i.e. 

&quot;Murtad business is no one&#039;s business except Allah&quot;

What are the qualities of this &quot;Allah&quot;? Where did you get this moral imperative from? 

Oh, and if you have the term Murtad in quotes, do you care to give us your theology ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LeedLads</p>

<p>Please do not misquote me. I said that the group &#8221; British Muslims for Secular Democracy &#8221; do not represent Sunni Islam! i.e. the group and you presented it as a misquote. i.e. I said &#8220;Democracy does not represent Sunni Islam&#8221; </p>

<p>I am just baffled by someone who is a murtad claiming to be part of the Muslim community! lol! What next a 4 sided triangle ? Ha Ha! I have no concern about what you think of my blog because obviously we have vastly different moral compasses. Let us start with the basics, murtad. </p>

<p>Do you believe in a God ? I say this because this premise would be a problem, you see i.e. </p>

<p>&#8220;Murtad business is no one&#8217;s business except Allah&#8221;</p>

<p>What are the qualities of this &#8220;Allah&#8221;? Where did you get this moral imperative from? </p>

<p>Oh, and if you have the term Murtad in quotes, do you care to give us your theology ?</p>
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		<title>By: LeedsLad</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/10/25/splitters#comment-16794</link>
		<dc:creator>LeedsLad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol, it is true. I am a &quot;Murtad&quot;, yet I stand by Muslims because that is my community. I also fast during Ramadan, support mosque funds(something the majority do not do assuming Allah pays the bills and maintenance) and pray whenever the rest of the community is having a gathering.

You expect me to run away and open a lil shop called b*tchislam.com like some people do?

Murtad business is no ones business except Allah. I will suggest you get on with Muslims whether they p you off just because they don&#039;t do what is done in your household.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, it is true. I am a &#8220;Murtad&#8221;, yet I stand by Muslims because that is my community. I also fast during Ramadan, support mosque funds(something the majority do not do assuming Allah pays the bills and maintenance) and pray whenever the rest of the community is having a gathering.</p>

<p>You expect me to run away and open a lil shop called b*tchislam.com like some people do?</p>

<p>Murtad business is no ones business except Allah. I will suggest you get on with Muslims whether they p you off just because they don&#8217;t do what is done in your household.</p>
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		<title>By: WM</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/10/25/splitters#comment-16789</link>
		<dc:creator>WM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LeedsLad- is it just me or did you mention somewhere that you were a murtadd?  If so, why presume to advise us about a religion you&#039;ve seen fit to renounce?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LeedsLad- is it just me or did you mention somewhere that you were a murtadd?  If so, why presume to advise us about a religion you&#8217;ve seen fit to renounce?</p>
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		<title>By: LeedsLad</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/10/25/splitters#comment-16779</link>
		<dc:creator>LeedsLad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...in Islam their is in principle no separation of religion from public affairs&quot;

It is not just Islam, but Christianity as well. So you need to ask yourself how others manage to keep their faith and morality at much higher degree than Muslims who continue to destroy themselves. 

&quot;Democracy do not represent orthodox Sunni Islam.&quot;
Please avoid engaging yourself and other Muslims in mindless sectarianism, and stick to common interests. Whether a group is orthodox Sunni or loony Sunni should not matter unless you are another person who receives $$ from the progress hating Saudis. 

My advice to you would be not to make enemies with people whom you are closely related to. This would bring you Islam more than the current obsession one can see from your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;in Islam their is in principle no separation of religion from public affairs&#8221;</p>

<p>It is not just Islam, but Christianity as well. So you need to ask yourself how others manage to keep their faith and morality at much higher degree than Muslims who continue to destroy themselves. </p>

<p>&#8220;Democracy do not represent orthodox Sunni Islam.&#8221;
Please avoid engaging yourself and other Muslims in mindless sectarianism, and stick to common interests. Whether a group is orthodox Sunni or loony Sunni should not matter unless you are another person who receives $$ from the progress hating Saudis. </p>

<p>My advice to you would be not to make enemies with people whom you are closely related to. This would bring you Islam more than the current obsession one can see from your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Abul Layth</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/10/25/splitters#comment-16777</link>
		<dc:creator>Abul Layth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just another example of how the Sunnis need to become more politically active and aware. &quot;Moderate&quot;, a word I shy away from anyhow, Sunni Muslims do not seem realize that their voices are being drowned out by Secularists and wackos like the goons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just another example of how the Sunnis need to become more politically active and aware. &#8220;Moderate&#8221;, a word I shy away from anyhow, Sunni Muslims do not seem realize that their voices are being drowned out by Secularists and wackos like the goons.</p>
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		<title>By: Effendi</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2009/10/25/splitters#comment-16758</link>
		<dc:creator>Effendi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The event isnot cancelled. The facebook page was deleted by a saboteur by an &quot;admin&quot;. Here is the replacement Facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=158649383516    

Bunglawala did not announce the March Against Al-Muhajiroun before the BMSD. He did it much later and even says so in his CiF piece.

And here is a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn2JgvWZJ-0

Anyway, here is the BMSD statement by Shaaz Mahmood:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/oct/23/islam4uk-march-31-october

&lt;blockquote&gt;
I would urge all British Muslims and non-Muslims to build on the brave steps we have already taken and condemn theocratic organisations everywhere who seek to segregate Muslims from mainstream society on the basis of twisted ideological interpretations and impose an intolerant way of life upon them, calling it sharia. This is the basis on which British Muslims for Secular Democracy was founded. We believe that a commitment to plural and liberal values is necessary everywhere around the world.

Bunglawala has already taken some important steps – and I hope he will take another by joining me in condemning all theocratic parties and their grotesquely illiberal views. The Muslim community in Britain is going through a period of rapid change. New voices are emerging all the time. Our message is simple: we are fed up with the old leadership that has betrayed us and everything we believe in.

I make the same appeal to Bunglawala as I do to all of you – Muslim or otherwise – please come along on Saturday 31 and show your support by signing up here for secular democracy. We would love you to join us and raise a voice against all theocratic values and parties – whoever they are.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
.-=  		Effendi	´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3220&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;March Against Al-Muhajiroun and for Secular Democracy&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The event isnot cancelled. The facebook page was deleted by a saboteur by an &#8220;admin&#8221;. Here is the replacement Facebook page
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=158649383516">http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=158649383516</a>    </p>

<p>Bunglawala did not announce the March Against Al-Muhajiroun before the BMSD. He did it much later and even says so in his CiF piece.</p>

<p>And here is a video:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn2JgvWZJ-0">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn2JgvWZJ-0</a></p>

<p>Anyway, here is the BMSD statement by Shaaz Mahmood:
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/oct/23/islam4uk-march-31-october">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/oct/23/islam4uk-march-31-october</a></p>

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I would urge all British Muslims and non-Muslims to build on the brave steps we have already taken and condemn theocratic organisations everywhere who seek to segregate Muslims from mainstream society on the basis of twisted ideological interpretations and impose an intolerant way of life upon them, calling it sharia. This is the basis on which British Muslims for Secular Democracy was founded. We believe that a commitment to plural and liberal values is necessary everywhere around the world.

Bunglawala has already taken some important steps – and I hope he will take another by joining me in condemning all theocratic parties and their grotesquely illiberal views. The Muslim community in Britain is going through a period of rapid change. New voices are emerging all the time. Our message is simple: we are fed up with the old leadership that has betrayed us and everything we believe in.

I make the same appeal to Bunglawala as I do to all of you – Muslim or otherwise – please come along on Saturday 31 and show your support by signing up here for secular democracy. We would love you to join us and raise a voice against all theocratic values and parties – whoever they are.
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<p>.-=         Effendi ´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3220">March Against Al-Muhajiroun and for Secular Democracy</a> =-.</p>
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