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I wanted to fillet Johann Hari’s article in which he interviews three leading members of the Quilliam clique plus Anjem “Andy” Choudhary, but never having known them and always being far from the centre of all things HT — Newham and then SOAS (I was at Coulsdon College and then went on to Aberystwyth, and HT/Muhajiroun had no presence in either place) — I don’t really know enough to rebut it except to say that their version of, say, the murder of that Nigerian student differs with the version that many other Muslim students who were there at the time offer, and that I can’t really believe that they called the Nigerian Christians niggers when they were pushing the universality and non-racism of Islam rather than an Asian-centred village Islam. But Timothy Bowes did know Maajid Nawaz, and certainly didn’t know him as a jihadi but as a bore who was convinced of the power of argument.
Johann Hari’s interview with Andy reveals more about himself than about his subject. He does not even entertain the idea (or doesn’t seem to) that Andy is an agent provocateur or suggest that he is trying to whip up non-Muslims against Muslims for their own nefarious ends, whatever they may be. His last gambit reminds me of Keith Allen with the Kansas “anti-smoking brigade”: he goes too far in trying to provoke his subject, but the subject, rather than producing the desired explosion, simply terminates the interview:
He begins to ask – jabbing his finger – what my alternative is. “In the United States, bestiality is legal in the privacy of your own home,” he says. Paedophiles are rampant, with the Man-Boy Love Association on the brink of success. Compare that with the 1,300-year long caliphate. In all those years, he says, “there were only 60 rapes”.
Do you really believe that if people are not suppressed by a tyrant-God, they will become paedophiles and start fucking animals? Are you so rotten inside? Does Anjum fear Andy that much?
He stares at me, flat and emotionless now. “That is your last question,” he says. And as I leave and look back at him through the glass, jabbering on his phone and daydreaming of annihilation, I realise how far all my interviewees – and new friends – have travelled.
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HT, Quilliam, Andy Choudhury… It’s a sideshow, a separate experience. Its fine to look at them, but please, they are real-life equivalent of online trolls, make outrageous comments and then expect a reasonable response. Oh dear, I feel another spoof coming on… Mr Moo´s last blog ..Halal-Meatarians
Research the connections of Ed Husain (Mohammed Mahbub Hussain) & the Hizb ut-Tahrir lot at Newham college. A Nigerian Christian student, Ayotunde (Tundi) Obanubi, was murdered at Newham College in February 1995. This event, Ed Husain states, in his book (The Islamist), that this incident “led him to question his political beliefs and associations.”
Th Obanubi murder incident also led to a trial, at which, one - Kazi Nurur Rahman - was acquitted on the directions of the judge.
Kazi Rahman (Abdul Haleem/Halim) then goes on to be a mouthpiece for al-Muhajiroun, around 2001 (alongside Al Qaeda ‘telltale’ Mohammed Junaid Babar).
Rahman was involved in the ‘Fetiliser Bomb Plot Conspiracy’, in that he was present alongside the others while they were in Pakistan.
Rahman was ‘eventually’ caught in a ‘sting operation’ in November 2005, when he tried to …’buy missiles to shoot down airliners’.
When interviewed by police, Rahman claimed he was working for MI5, who had recruited him 10 years earlier.
See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6206886.stm
De-ja-vu Sameer. Didn’t I read this comment on Craig Murray’s blog this morning?
“he goes too far in trying to provoke his subject”
““In the United States, bestiality is legal in the privacy of your own home,” he says. Paedophiles are rampant, with the Man-Boy Love Association on the brink of success. Compare that with the 1,300-year long caliphate. In all those years, he says, “there were only 60 rapes”.
“Do you really believe that if people are not suppressed by a tyrant-God, they will become paedophiles and start fucking animals? Are you so rotten inside? Does Anjum fear Andy that much?”
Hardly provocation- a perfectly reasonable response to Choudhary’s own lies.
I was talking more about the vulgar language he used, assuming his question was similar or identical to his report of his speech. It reminded me of Keith Allen revealing rather private details of his sex life with members of the Phelps family cult, but they reacted with rather more dignity than you might expect from them. However, I can remember another recent interview with Choudhary in which the interviewer taunted him with the name Andy, so perhaps it’s something he’s touchy about.
I was wondering why people even bother to interview Ed and Majid since they only repeat the same thing over and over again. I ran into the HT Maajid a few times during uni days, he was a nice chap and probably still is. He lectured about Pakistan being on the brink of Khilafah, I never took him seriously than and I still don’t. Salman´s last blog ..Mental Health & Jinn Possession Amongst Muslims
This fat Harri guy is interesting. He was friends with Glen Jenvey over on facebook and now he is around this other thief. All of these misfits seem to have one hobby and I hope other will realise it.
Salman,
The Jinns Muslims suffer from is called poverty and alienation. Please ask your stupid Muslims to stop spending money on American lap dancers or stupid English football teams and put into their education and research establishments.
Will we be seeing a review of Tim Bowes’ book at all?
Maybe, maybe not. I haven’t read it. Insha Allah maybe once I get a copy.