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		<title>By: Muslim Apple</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2010/01/05/terrorism_and_privacy#comment-21714</link>
		<dc:creator>Muslim Apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trust me Umar being visibly black and a woman and having a name difficult for most people to pronounce as well as being Muslim, people tend to make ignorant comments around me before I usually put them in check. 

Also, forgot to mention that here at all three major DC airports, most of the agents on the floor are black and most of the supervisors behind the podium are white. Not to many people of foreign extraction at all, that citizenship requirement and perhaps the background check tends to disqualify them.
.-= Muslim Apple´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://muslimapple.com/2010/01/15/isolation-to-integration-befriending-our-america-part-ii/&quot;&gt;Isolation to Integration: Befriending our America – Part II&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trust me Umar being visibly black and a woman and having a name difficult for most people to pronounce as well as being Muslim, people tend to make ignorant comments around me before I usually put them in check. </p>

<p>Also, forgot to mention that here at all three major DC airports, most of the agents on the floor are black and most of the supervisors behind the podium are white. Not to many people of foreign extraction at all, that citizenship requirement and perhaps the background check tends to disqualify them.
.-= Muslim Apple´s last blog ..<a href="http://muslimapple.com/2010/01/15/isolation-to-integration-befriending-our-america-part-ii/">Isolation to Integration: Befriending our America – Part II</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Hayley</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2010/01/05/terrorism_and_privacy#comment-21480</link>
		<dc:creator>Hayley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting post! I have not traveled in a long time, however I must admit that, as a disabled person, the idea of over the top security measures such as being seen naked, really does add a lot of extra stress to an already stressful ordeal.
.-= Hayley´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/rellacafa/BOzk/~3/b7BBEr8PYMk/&quot;&gt;Mustering My Mental Might &amp; Ploughing Onward&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting post! I have not traveled in a long time, however I must admit that, as a disabled person, the idea of over the top security measures such as being seen naked, really does add a lot of extra stress to an already stressful ordeal.
.-= Hayley´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/rellacafa/BOzk/~3/b7BBEr8PYMk/">Mustering My Mental Might &amp; Ploughing Onward</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Umar</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2010/01/05/terrorism_and_privacy#comment-20947</link>
		<dc:creator>Umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Demographically, St. Louis is far more typical of an average American city. I also have probably spent more time as a Muslim living in the DC area than you have and have lived in a number of other cities. Because it is the capitol, DC has some things going on that make it unique and this even pertains to the Muslim community. The Muslim Community of the DC area is unique because it attracted a unique kind of immigrant. As an example those who founded Dar al Hijrah were well-known political activists back home,the Somalis of NOVA include many of the prominent families who have fled Somalia and therefore their community is more developed than in a place like St. Louis were most of them are living in the projects, the Afghan Masjid includes the families of those in the Karzai cabinet. This is not typical of the Muslim community in America and there are a lot more things I can add to that list. 

I do not really want to know a lot about TSA. I fly as little as possible; but I am at the airport several times a day and I see them. I am not some FOB Muslim trying to do PR so America will fall in love with me. There are members in my family who were in Iraq, I work with guys who have been to both Iraq and Afghanistan, I have neighbors in the military,and I pick up military personnel all of the time. Guys I went to high school with did not go into the military to be medics they went to the front lines if they went.  Most know a little more about Islam and Muslims then the average American but at the end of the day know very little and most have a negative opinion. Perhaps they open up to me more because they do not know I&#039;m a Muslim when they chat with me in my cab they feel free to make all of their ignorant comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demographically, St. Louis is far more typical of an average American city. I also have probably spent more time as a Muslim living in the DC area than you have and have lived in a number of other cities. Because it is the capitol, DC has some things going on that make it unique and this even pertains to the Muslim community. The Muslim Community of the DC area is unique because it attracted a unique kind of immigrant. As an example those who founded Dar al Hijrah were well-known political activists back home,the Somalis of NOVA include many of the prominent families who have fled Somalia and therefore their community is more developed than in a place like St. Louis were most of them are living in the projects, the Afghan Masjid includes the families of those in the Karzai cabinet. This is not typical of the Muslim community in America and there are a lot more things I can add to that list. </p>

<p>I do not really want to know a lot about TSA. I fly as little as possible; but I am at the airport several times a day and I see them. I am not some FOB Muslim trying to do PR so America will fall in love with me. There are members in my family who were in Iraq, I work with guys who have been to both Iraq and Afghanistan, I have neighbors in the military,and I pick up military personnel all of the time. Guys I went to high school with did not go into the military to be medics they went to the front lines if they went.  Most know a little more about Islam and Muslims then the average American but at the end of the day know very little and most have a negative opinion. Perhaps they open up to me more because they do not know I&#8217;m a Muslim when they chat with me in my cab they feel free to make all of their ignorant comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Muslim Apple</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2010/01/05/terrorism_and_privacy#comment-20878</link>
		<dc:creator>Muslim Apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umar, I don&#039;t think St. Louis is representative of a &quot;typical American city&quot; either, however one defines it. The DC area is interesting in that we have three major airports, it&#039;s a cosmopolitan area, the seat of the federal government and a major tourist and business center. We see a lot, much more than in smaller regions, which I&#039;ve lived in and interacted with agents from those areas. But I&#039;m sure you know St. Louis better than I and I know the DC area better than you do.

From your comments here and on your blog, it appears that you do not have more than a superficial understanding of TSA and/or the screening process. As for military-types, we may or may not have had a similar range of experiences (I interact with people in military in my family, colleagues at work, friends, classmates, neighbors, medical personnel, etc) and those that have spent time in the Middle East tend to know more about Islam and Muslims than the average American, their views may not be as nuanced as yours or mine but in general I&#039;ve found it to be better.
.-= Muslim Apple´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://muslimapple.com/2010/01/06/lions-and-tigers-and-muslims-at-the-gate-oh-my/&quot;&gt;Lions, and Tigers, and Muslims at the Gate! Oh, my!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umar, I don&#8217;t think St. Louis is representative of a &#8220;typical American city&#8221; either, however one defines it. The DC area is interesting in that we have three major airports, it&#8217;s a cosmopolitan area, the seat of the federal government and a major tourist and business center. We see a lot, much more than in smaller regions, which I&#8217;ve lived in and interacted with agents from those areas. But I&#8217;m sure you know St. Louis better than I and I know the DC area better than you do.</p>

<p>From your comments here and on your blog, it appears that you do not have more than a superficial understanding of TSA and/or the screening process. As for military-types, we may or may not have had a similar range of experiences (I interact with people in military in my family, colleagues at work, friends, classmates, neighbors, medical personnel, etc) and those that have spent time in the Middle East tend to know more about Islam and Muslims than the average American, their views may not be as nuanced as yours or mine but in general I&#8217;ve found it to be better.
.-= Muslim Apple´s last blog ..<a href="http://muslimapple.com/2010/01/06/lions-and-tigers-and-muslims-at-the-gate-oh-my/">Lions, and Tigers, and Muslims at the Gate! Oh, my!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Umar</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2010/01/05/terrorism_and_privacy#comment-20855</link>
		<dc:creator>Umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muslim Apple,

Remember you are in the DC area, an area that is not typical of the demographics in most American cities. I would venture I guess from my experience that there is not a single TSA agent in St. Louis of non black American or white stock and the same can be said of dozens of airports around the country. Also, I have talked to Iraq and Afghan vets, most have ZERO clue about Islam and Muslims, even after coming home.
.-= Umar´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://umarlee.com/2010/01/07/bad-weather-murder-and-death-of-a-young-muslim-brother/&quot;&gt;Bad Weather, Murder, and Death of a Young Muslim Brother&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muslim Apple,</p>

<p>Remember you are in the DC area, an area that is not typical of the demographics in most American cities. I would venture I guess from my experience that there is not a single TSA agent in St. Louis of non black American or white stock and the same can be said of dozens of airports around the country. Also, I have talked to Iraq and Afghan vets, most have ZERO clue about Islam and Muslims, even after coming home.
.-= Umar´s last blog ..<a href="http://umarlee.com/2010/01/07/bad-weather-murder-and-death-of-a-young-muslim-brother/">Bad Weather, Murder, and Death of a Young Muslim Brother</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Muslim Apple</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2010/01/05/terrorism_and_privacy#comment-20813</link>
		<dc:creator>Muslim Apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work for the Transportation Security Administration here in the States and I would disagree with some of Umar&#039;s assertions. A large component of the screeners are ex-military, many of whom have served or are serving through reserve rotations in the Middle East.

Both as a passenger and someone who has had to screen and pat-down individuals, I prefer the body scanner. I don&#039;t like touching people and I don&#039;t like people touching me. I think the fears and concerns a bit overblown, particularly here in the US, the way it is implemented, the screener that views the images is in a separate room away from the main screening floor and communicates via headset.
.-= Muslim Apple´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://muslimapple.com/2010/01/01/getting-gas-when-change-equals-9-11/&quot;&gt;Getting Gas: When change equals $9.11&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work for the Transportation Security Administration here in the States and I would disagree with some of Umar&#8217;s assertions. A large component of the screeners are ex-military, many of whom have served or are serving through reserve rotations in the Middle East.</p>

<p>Both as a passenger and someone who has had to screen and pat-down individuals, I prefer the body scanner. I don&#8217;t like touching people and I don&#8217;t like people touching me. I think the fears and concerns a bit overblown, particularly here in the US, the way it is implemented, the screener that views the images is in a separate room away from the main screening floor and communicates via headset.
.-= Muslim Apple´s last blog ..<a href="http://muslimapple.com/2010/01/01/getting-gas-when-change-equals-9-11/">Getting Gas: When change equals $9.11</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Umar</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2010/01/05/terrorism_and_privacy#comment-20697</link>
		<dc:creator>Umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 06:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An issue that a lot of people are not talking about is the American reliance on technology because we do not have enough educated people to work in TSA. If you fly in and out of Tel Aviv ( which I guess I did 8 times if you count both ways) they do not have any of this kind of stuff. You just get questioned a lot by interviewers who know the questions to ask and what to look for. 

These TSA agents in America, and even a lot of higher level federal agents, I would be very surprised if they know where Yemen was on the map, could tell the difference between a Hebrew or Arabic name, could tell the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim, and they have no clue what to ask for and what to look for so they have to rely on technology to make up for a lack in intelligence. 

The situation in the UK should not be as bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An issue that a lot of people are not talking about is the American reliance on technology because we do not have enough educated people to work in TSA. If you fly in and out of Tel Aviv ( which I guess I did 8 times if you count both ways) they do not have any of this kind of stuff. You just get questioned a lot by interviewers who know the questions to ask and what to look for. </p>

<p>These TSA agents in America, and even a lot of higher level federal agents, I would be very surprised if they know where Yemen was on the map, could tell the difference between a Hebrew or Arabic name, could tell the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim, and they have no clue what to ask for and what to look for so they have to rely on technology to make up for a lack in intelligence. </p>

<p>The situation in the UK should not be as bad.</p>
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