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		<title>By: Safiyyah</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2010/02/21/sportsmen_as_paragons_of_virtue#comment-23300</link>
		<dc:creator>Safiyyah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaams:

Off topic, but did you see this:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100226/ap_on_re_us/us_manhattan_hotel_death;_ylt=Aq5AZ4gkKMGn.HT_biaWaXi2GL8C;_ylu=X3oDMTNkaTdmZDFqBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwMjI2L3VzX21hbmhhdHRhbl9ob3RlbF9kZWF0aARjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzQEcG9zAzQEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawNmcmllbmRueW1vbWg-

(Jeez - long link)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaams:</p>

<p>Off topic, but did you see this:</p>

<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100226/ap_on_re_us/us_manhattan_hotel_death;_ylt=Aq5AZ4gkKMGn.HT_biaWaXi2GL8C;_ylu=X3oDMTNkaTdmZDFqBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwMjI2L3VzX21hbmhhdHRhbl9ob3RlbF9kZWF0aARjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzQEcG9zAzQEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawNmcmllbmRueW1vbWg-">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100226/ap<em>on</em>re<em>us/us</em>manhattan<em>hotel</em>death;<em>ylt=Aq5AZ4gkKMGn.HT</em>biaWaXi2GL8C;_ylu=X3oDMTNkaTdmZDFqBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwMjI2L3VzX21hbmhhdHRhbl9ob3RlbF9kZWF0aARjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzQEcG9zAzQEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawNmcmllbmRueW1vbWg-</a></p>

<p>(Jeez - long link)
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		<title>By: africana</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2010/02/21/sportsmen_as_paragons_of_virtue#comment-23268</link>
		<dc:creator>africana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yusuf, 

you and your readers might find this interesting.

http://johnlambert.wordpress.com/2010/02/21/tigers-apology-and-asian-shame-based-culture/

Ashley Cole will be entering the modern day confession box soon, i expect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yusuf, </p>

<p>you and your readers might find this interesting.</p>

<p><a href="http://johnlambert.wordpress.com/2010/02/21/tigers-apology-and-asian-shame-based-culture/">http://johnlambert.wordpress.com/2010/02/21/tigers-apology-and-asian-shame-based-culture/</a></p>

<p>Ashley Cole will be entering the modern day confession box soon, i expect.</p>
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		<title>By: muslimfitforlife</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2010/02/21/sportsmen_as_paragons_of_virtue#comment-23199</link>
		<dc:creator>muslimfitforlife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaams, Tiger was set up on a pedestal by the world of sports. Not only was he at the top of his golf game, but he had the looks, charisma and the character. It was all one big marketing package. Personally I dont think he needed to have a press conference to apologize to the world. I really dont care one way or the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaams, Tiger was set up on a pedestal by the world of sports. Not only was he at the top of his golf game, but he had the looks, charisma and the character. It was all one big marketing package. Personally I dont think he needed to have a press conference to apologize to the world. I really dont care one way or the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Safiyyah</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2010/02/21/sportsmen_as_paragons_of_virtue#comment-23165</link>
		<dc:creator>Safiyyah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaams:

I think it is about the fact that Woods built a public persona around his &quot;character.&quot;  That&#039;s what made him a role model.  So, when people find out that it&#039;s all a fraud, of course, they feel hurt and betrayed, and feel entitled to an apology.  

The bigger picture is that he is prostituting himself to the indstry; it&#039;s the price he must pay to get back in the game.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaams:</p>

<p>I think it is about the fact that Woods built a public persona around his &#8220;character.&#8221;  That&#8217;s what made him a role model.  So, when people find out that it&#8217;s all a fraud, of course, they feel hurt and betrayed, and feel entitled to an apology.  </p>

<p>The bigger picture is that he is prostituting himself to the indstry; it&#8217;s the price he must pay to get back in the game.
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		<title>By: LeedsLad</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeedsLad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first knew something was not right about this man was when he recruited certain close people of particular ethnicity who dominate the US porn industry. One of them had a close relative involved with one of the biggest internet adult ventures.

He is still with the same people, and the stupid man does not realise that everybody else made money while he lost nearly everything. When will he make them pay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first knew something was not right about this man was when he recruited certain close people of particular ethnicity who dominate the US porn industry. One of them had a close relative involved with one of the biggest internet adult ventures.</p>

<p>He is still with the same people, and the stupid man does not realise that everybody else made money while he lost nearly everything. When will he make them pay?</p>
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		<title>By: mash</title>
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		<dc:creator>mash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Thersites stated above this has less to do with any sense of moral shame than it is do with rebuilding brand &#039;Tiger&#039;. I think it&#039;s also a part of the 12step program for revovering addicts.

&lt;i&gt;9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.&lt;/i&gt;

In this case apparently Tiger is a sex addict.

Having said that I must say that I don&#039;t think he was saying sorry to the general public, he was saying sorry to his sponsors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Thersites stated above this has less to do with any sense of moral shame than it is do with rebuilding brand &#8216;Tiger&#8217;. I think it&#8217;s also a part of the 12step program for revovering addicts.</p>

<p><i>9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.</i></p>

<p>In this case apparently Tiger is a sex addict.</p>

<p>Having said that I must say that I don&#8217;t think he was saying sorry to the general public, he was saying sorry to his sponsors.</p>
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		<title>By: Thersites</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thersites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As well as being a golfer. Woods is a professional family man. He was sponsored by companies because he was supposedly faithfully married to a photogenic wife with photogenic children. The sompanies concerned arebothered about their investments and Woods- apart from any concerns he has with his family- is concerned with his income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As well as being a golfer. Woods is a professional family man. He was sponsored by companies because he was supposedly faithfully married to a photogenic wife with photogenic children. The sompanies concerned arebothered about their investments and Woods- apart from any concerns he has with his family- is concerned with his income.</p>
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		<title>By: Safiya Outlines</title>
		<link>http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2010/02/21/sportsmen_as_paragons_of_virtue#comment-23125</link>
		<dc:creator>Safiya Outlines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaam Alaikum,

The trend for a public apology for private matters is a rather distasteful one. With Tiger Woods, I think it was the sheer scale of his infidelity which shocked the most, but again, it&#039;s a matter for those close to him, not the world at large. 

As for John Terry, there does seem to be a very unpleasant climate surrounding Premiership footballers, the way that women are treated as objects to be used and discarded is deeply unhealthy for all involved. However, what perturbs me more is the fact he tried to use a super injunction to cover up his proclivities, but then the fact that such injunctions exists, is a big threat to freedom of speech.

We are very fortunate to have a (reasonable) amount of press freedom, sadly, it seems that it is only in such cases that the press truly fights for this liberty.
.-= Safiya Outlines´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://getoutlines.wordpress.com/2010/02/02/wont-you-take-me-to-the-queen-of-hearts/&quot;&gt;Won’t you take me to the Queen of Hearts?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaam Alaikum,</p>

<p>The trend for a public apology for private matters is a rather distasteful one. With Tiger Woods, I think it was the sheer scale of his infidelity which shocked the most, but again, it&#8217;s a matter for those close to him, not the world at large. </p>

<p>As for John Terry, there does seem to be a very unpleasant climate surrounding Premiership footballers, the way that women are treated as objects to be used and discarded is deeply unhealthy for all involved. However, what perturbs me more is the fact he tried to use a super injunction to cover up his proclivities, but then the fact that such injunctions exists, is a big threat to freedom of speech.</p>

<p>We are very fortunate to have a (reasonable) amount of press freedom, sadly, it seems that it is only in such cases that the press truly fights for this liberty.
.-= Safiya Outlines´s last blog ..<a href="http://getoutlines.wordpress.com/2010/02/02/wont-you-take-me-to-the-queen-of-hearts/">Won’t you take me to the Queen of Hearts?</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: JDsg</title>
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		<dc:creator>JDsg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...I don’t see why they should have to retire from public view and then make a grovelling apology to the public.&lt;/i&gt;

Normally in the US, this would not be the case for most errant athletes.  Frequently, they will be suspended for a period of time, if they play for a league, but they don&#039;t normally make a &quot;groveling apology.&quot;  Usually they have their agent type up a nice letter that says all the right things while the athlete goes on with &quot;business as usual.&quot;
.-= JDsg´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://dunner99.blogspot.com/2010/02/brief-history-of-pretty-much-everything.html&quot;&gt;A Brief History of Pretty Much Everything&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;I don’t see why they should have to retire from public view and then make a grovelling apology to the public.</i></p>

<p>Normally in the US, this would not be the case for most errant athletes.  Frequently, they will be suspended for a period of time, if they play for a league, but they don&#8217;t normally make a &#8220;groveling apology.&#8221;  Usually they have their agent type up a nice letter that says all the right things while the athlete goes on with &#8220;business as usual.&#8221;
.-= JDsg´s last blog ..<a href="http://dunner99.blogspot.com/2010/02/brief-history-of-pretty-much-everything.html">A Brief History of Pretty Much Everything</a> =-.</p>
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