Who’s protesting the Pope?

Earlier today I read an opinion piece in the Guardian by Martin Kimani, “an associate fellow at the Conflict, Security and Development Group at King’s College London” currently writing a book about the role of the Catholic church in the 1994 Genocide in Rwanda, contrasting the Pope’s recent apology to the people of Ireland for failing to tackle priests who were sexually abusing children with the institution’s silence over the Church’s role not only in the Genocide itself, but also in supporting the Habyarimana government which orchestrated it and promoting the racial “Hutu power” ideology for forty years previously. The story has been widely told among Muslims that the Muslim minority in Rwanda protected Tutsis from being massacred while priests and nuns aided and participated in the slaughter, leading to thousands of people becoming Muslims in the years that followed. In Ireland, where the church is equally discredited, the ‘conversion’ tends to be out of religion altogether.

Later on, I read a guest post on Harry’s Place by the “Protest the Pope Campaign”, which accused the Pope of personally acting to cover up various cases of sexual abuse by priests as a bishop and as a cardinal. This group held a protest outside Westminster Cathedral in London at 12 noon yesterday (Palm Sunday), and claimed that their protest was met by “jeers and support” by the attendees, although “most expressed no opinion either way”. They included a picture of their rally, which showed how tiny it was and who it really represented: “London for a Secular Europe”, the National Secular Society, and OutRage. Click through to their home page, and you can find their list of supporters, which include a rag-bag of the usual anti-religious suspects, including the “Council of ex-Muslims of Britain” and the Iranian exile contingent (One Law for All). The Southall Black Sisters are the nearest thing they have to a group representing abuse survivors.

While I don’t much care for the idea of the Pope being granted a state visit, the honour implicit in it really went away when George Bush jr was given one a few years ago. This campaign would have more credibility if it was supported by groups which really were set up to represent survivors of sexual abuse, not groups whose sole purpose is to bash religion, of whatever sort. I would happily protest against a Papal state visit if it were not dominated by these people. The whole purpose of Harry’s Place is to police the left for ideologically incorrect associations and to police religious organisations for utterances or associations they find distasteful. Secularists in general like finding examples of cruelty in religious institutions (see my review of “Does God Hate Women?” last year for a classic example) but they conveniently forget that cruelty happens everywhere.

It’s true that there was terrible abuse in Catholic-run orphanages and other institutions in Ireland (and elsewhere) in the mid-20th century, but there have been plenty of scandals involving non-religious state care in this country: people (particularly women) kept locked up for no real reason for decades after suffering post-natal depression, for example. The Irish symphisiotomy scandal had much to do with the Catholic hospitals’ anti-contraception ethos, but it was not Catholic hospitals who sterilised supposedly feeble-minded women in the USA and Sweden in the mid-20th century. The reality is that this kind of behaviour thrives when there is unchecked power and no accountability, and it exists in many secular institutions (particularly the medical profession) as well as religious ones.

Oh, and here’s something you won’t read on Harry’s Place: Mohamed Ali Harrath, the CEO of the London-based Islam Channel, who had been arrested in South Africa on the basis of an Interpol Red Notice posted by the Tunisian government, was released after said government failed to produce any evidence for their claims. Harry’s Place has dropped the notice into an entry any time they wanted to smear the channel (like here), and the fact that it comes from a dictatorial government notorious for torture apparently doesn’t matter to them.

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  • Thersites

    Secularists in general like finding examples of cruelty in religious institutions but they conveniently forget that cruelty happens everywhere.
    However, religious institutions and religions often cuase or justify cruelty for religious reasons. Christians and muslims have a long history of torturing people to death to save their and other peoples’ souls from worse and endless tortures after death. There is quite enough natural cruelty in humans without people practising it and thinking they are doing good.

  • http://www.bayyinat.org.uk/terror.htm Yakoub

    I find it incredible that anyone can look themselves in the intellectual mirror after blaming some henious belief/act on “religion”, “Catholicism”, “Islam”, and so forth, as if these terms refer to irreducible entities rather than complex human phenomena crossing vast swathes of history, ethnicity, class and culture. I’m tired of this nonsensical polemic that flattens every aspect of human experience into fairy tale narratives and football terrace slogans, sometimes for no better reason than to offload personal bile or play ‘my primate gang’. It’s pathetic.

  • M Risbrook

    It’s funny how you prattle on about the Pope yet fail to report on how the ethnic BNP member Rajinder Singh has been appointed special advisor on Islamic extremism to Nick Griffin and has been tasked with preparing an initial report on the extent to which British society has already been Islamified.

    Surely this is of greater importance to Muslims living in Britain.

  • Thersites

    Unfortunately, among complex human phenomena crossing vast swathes of history, ethnicity, class and culture torturing people to death is a pretty important aspect of them. You could compare it to the cow-shit in the milk-pail. It taints all of the contents. Equally, the people doing the torturing said and believed that they were inspired by god and following the instructions of “religion”, “Catholicism”, “Islam”, and so forth. So far from thinking their beliefs or acts were heinous, they believed they were fulfilling god’s will and that what they did was meritorious and would give them a leg-up to paradise.

  • Unimpressed

    You’re forgetting the Pope is a white man, so he gets a pass. If the Pope was an African or a South American, he would have been utterly savaged. Regarding the role of religion and violence, the majority of global mass killings over the last five centuries have come at the hands of secular European nations and those who adopted their ideology. Capitalism and Communism are both twin cheeks on the same pale arse of European nihilism. The vast majority of terrorists today are white men armed to the teeth hellbent on conquest, murder, and exploitation of others, just like their ancestors. I have no prejudice against white people but I can’t be politically correct about their past and current actions.

  • http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/ Indigo Jo

    As I’ve said before, I can write about whatever I like here, as it’s my blog. The Pope is the head of a very large church. This Sikh guy who joined the BNP isn’t the leader of anyone and is totally isolated in his community. If he was advising the Tories, it would be rather more of an issue.

  • M Risbrook

    Depends on how community is defined. Has it ever crossed your mind that he may not be a Sikh? Things are not always what they first seem in this world…

  • George Carty

    Is “Unimpressed” really DrMaxtor?

  • http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/ Indigo Jo

    No, Unimpressed is not DrM. Unimpressed always posts from the same IP address which is registered in Trinidad. DrM’s IP address traces to Virginia.

  • M Risbrook

    Am I correct in saying that the owner of this blog is a former Catholic? If so, then would you have considered yourself to be pissed off with the religion during the time you were at Kesgrave Hall School?

  • George Carty

    @Indigo Jo:

    It was the phrase “European nihilism” which made me think of DrM - obviously he’s influenced Unimpressed.

    @M Risbrook:

    It seems like a lot of Western converts to Islam are ex-Catholics: that’s true of Laura Poyneer (aka al-Muhajabah) and Jeffrey Lang for example…

  • LeedsLad

    HP blog is becoming more and more like the Robert Spencer and Pamella Geller brigades wacko sites. They have these little soldiers who were all kicked out from littlegreenfootballs, and they never change their colour.

    What I do not understand is why the church does not follow the law of the lands and just refer the issues to the appropriate authorities rather than current “enquiries” within the church?

    While they are all out doing “enquiries”, more crimes will be committed and the sensationalists will continue spreading “ritual child rape” stories.

  • africana

    @yakoub …“religion”, “Catholicism”, “Islam”, and so forth, as if these terms refer to irreducible entities rather than complex human phenomena crossing vast swathes of history, ethnicity, class and culture.”

    excellent point,brother.

  • Unimpressed

    @George,

    Actually I’m more influenced by Dr.Eric Williams, our first Prime Minister, and his masterpiece “Capitalism and Slavery.” Unlike my older brother I was never into Marxism and its destructive tendencies, nor was I seduced by capitalistic greed. Both systems are failures build on human suffering.