{"id":2592,"date":"2010-08-19T13:47:58","date_gmt":"2010-08-19T12:47:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.blogistan.co.uk\/blog"},"modified":"2010-10-25T20:58:52","modified_gmt":"2010-10-25T19:58:52","slug":"transcript_panorama_on_gilderdale_case_1st_feb_2010","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.blogistan.co.uk\/blog\/articles\/transcript_panorama_on_gilderdale_case_1st_feb_2010","title":{"rendered":"Transcript: Panorama on Gilderdale case, 1st Feb 2010"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This programme, which had been made during the period between the death of<br \/>\nLynn Gilderdale and her mother Kay&#8217;s trial for her attempted murder, was<br \/>\nbroadcast after Kay Gilderdale was acquitted (she had admitted assisting a<br \/>\nsuicide and was given a 12-month conditional discharge).  It features<br \/>\ninterviews with Kay, Lynn&#8217;s father Richard and brother Stephen, and others<br \/>\nassociated with the present debate on assisted suicide including Chris<br \/>\nWoodhead, former chief inspector of schools in the UK who has motor neurone<br \/>\ndisease, and Baroness Campbell of Surbiton, a leading disability rights<br \/>\ncampaigner who opposes assisted suicide, and has spinal muscular atrophy.<\/p>\n<p>The programme was criticised as being part of a BBC campaign in favour of<br \/>\nassisted suicide (a speech for the same cause was delivered by the novelist<br \/>\nTerry Pratchett, who is in the early stages of Alzheimer&#8217;s disease, around<br \/>\nthe same time).  Clair Lewis AKA Dennis Queen, a British activist who is<br \/>\nopposed to assisted suicide, posted some critical articles<br \/>\n[here](http:\/\/missdennisqueen.livejournal.com\/2010\/02\/).  My debate with<br \/>\nLewis\/Queen can be found on [this entry](http:\/\/missdennisqueen.livejournal.com\/15060.html).<\/p>\n<p>Key to people who appeared:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; **BC:** Baroness Campbell, campaigner against assisted suicide<br \/>\n&#8211; **CW:** Chris Woodhead, former Ofsted (UK schools inspectorate) chief who has<br \/>\nmotor neurone disease<br \/>\n&#8211; **DP:** Debbie Purdy, a woman with multiple sclerosis campaigning for someone<br \/>\nto be able to take her abroad to die<br \/>\n&#8211; **JV:** Jeremy Vine, presenter<br \/>\n&#8211; **KG:** Kay (Bridget Kathleen) Gilderdale, mother of Lynn below<br \/>\n&#8211; **KS:** Kier Starmer, Director of Public Prosecutions<br \/>\n&#8211; **LG or Lynn:** Lynn Gilderdale, ME sufferer (1977-2008)<br \/>\n&#8211; **LS:** Laura Storey, school friend of Lynn<br \/>\n&#8211; **RG:** Richard Gilderdale, father of Lynn<br \/>\n&#8211; **SG:** Stephen Gilderdale, brother of Lynn<br \/>\n&#8211; **VB:** Vinnie Boles, Lynn&#8217;s maternal uncle<\/p>\n<p>*Opens with JV outside BBC building.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Hello, I&#8217;m Jeremy Vine and this is Panorama.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to JV and KG inside Lynn Gilderdale&#8217;s bedroom.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** The mother accused of killing her bedridden daughter.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** I don&#8217;t use this room, really, you know, it&#8217;s just &#8230; Lynn&#8217;s room.<\/p>\n<p>*Shows picture of KG leaning over LG and stroking her face; there are<br \/>\ngold ribbons decorating the side of her bed.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** What happened the night she died?<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** About quarter to one, she knocked. I went in, and I saw the look of<br \/>\ndetermination, like she&#8217;d pysched herself up, and really &#8230; &#8220;I have to do<br \/>\nthis&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to outside Lewes Crown Court, with KG emerging with three others.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** For ten months, our cameras have followed this ordinary Mum caught up<br \/>\nin extraordinary events.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** Whatever the consequences, I would do it again.<\/p>\n<p>*Panorama theme tune plays; cuts back to JV outside BBC building.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** For a year, Kay Gilderdale believed she could go to prison for the<br \/>\nattempted murder of her own daughter, and then last week, a court cleared her,<br \/>\nthe judge agreeing that she was just a loving Mum trying to do the best for<br \/>\nher sick child.  The cheers of her relatives may have died down, but the<br \/>\ndebate around this case has not.  If, out of love and dedication, Kay helped<br \/>\nher daughter commit suicide, should the law take action against her or not?<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to outside KG&#8217;s (and once the other Gilderdales&#8217;) house.  The words &#8220;I<br \/>\nHELPED MY DAUGHTER DIE&#8221; appear at the bottom of the screen, and a soft<br \/>\nelectric guitar figure plays.  Then cuts to inside the house, with Kay and<br \/>\nanother woman examining Lynn&#8217;s mostly unworn clothes.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** This is the home in East Sussex where Kay and her daughter lived.  Now,<br \/>\nshe has only Lynn&#8217;s belongings.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** These are clothes that Lynn chose from catalogues.  There&#8217;s the odd thing<br \/>\n*(handling a black dress with white spots)* that I bought her when I was out,<br \/>\nbut most of them she chose for &#8220;when she was better&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>**Kay&#8217;s sister:** Nice, that one.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Kay lives on memories of the daughter she loved.<\/p>\n<p>*Picture of Lynn pre-illness shown full screen.*<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** She had quite a strong personality, and she was very popular. She&#8217;d come<br \/>\nhome from school, you know, bursting to tell you everything that was going on<br \/>\n&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Happy child?<\/p>\n<p>*Shows picture of LG &#038; SG in an ornamental garden, then LG as a child, with<br \/>\nKG with blue party hats on their heads.*<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** Happy child, yeah. She loved swimming, she loved sailing, she loved music<br \/>\nand dancing, you know, she was interested in everything, really.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** And despite everything that&#8217;s happened, I&#8217;d imagine you could picture<br \/>\nthat quite vividly?<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** I have very strong pictures of her.  I see her running, because she was<br \/>\na great runner as well, you know, striding out.  I just catch all the things<br \/>\nin my head of when she was able to do all that.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to footage of stony beach with father and daughter playing catch, then<br \/>\nto JV &#038; SG walking along a beach-side path*<\/p>\n<p>**SG:** We were all very active, and we all spent a lot of time outside. We<br \/>\nspent a lot of time on the beach, here, and it was really the time before Lynn<br \/>\ngot ill, where we were very happy and we did normal family stuff. <\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Living by the sea, a loving and healthy family.  Kay, the auxiliary nurse;<br \/>\nhusband Richard, a policeman.  No clue of what was about to happen.<\/p>\n<p>*(Note: the Gilderdales lived in Stonegate, which is approximately 15 miles<br \/>\ninland.)*<\/p>\n<p>*Shows RG walking along a beach, interspersed with footage of people sailing<br \/>\nsmall boats near the beach.*<\/p>\n<p>**RG:** We used to sit on the beach here and look at Lynn and her brother enjoying<br \/>\nthemselves and thinking how lucky we were to have such fit and healthy<br \/>\nchildren.  It&#8217;s very difficult to describe how I feel now.  I look around and<br \/>\nI see her everywhere, really.  Yeah, it was where she was free, and before<br \/>\nshe knew what pain was, and hospitals, and sickness.<\/p>\n<p>*A young woman, pulling a small sailing craft, passes by RG.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Lynn was 14 when everything changed, and the start of it was so mundane.<\/p>\n<p>*Shows large wave breaking, then cuts to KG&#8217;s living room.*<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** There was a call from the school to come and collect her that afternoon<br \/>\nbecause she wasn&#8217;t very well; tried to send her back again the next day,<br \/>\nshe&#8217;s sent home sick again; the third day, we send her in and she&#8217;s sick again,<br \/>\nand she wasn&#8217;t able to go in again after that.<\/p>\n<p>Very quickly, she got the flu, then she got bronchitis, tonisillitis,<br \/>\nglandular fever, chest infections again, and you&#8217;re beginning to realise then<br \/>\nthat there&#8217;s something wrong, that it wasn&#8217;t an ordinary illness.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Lynn had fallen ill in 1991.  She was diagnosed with a severe form of<br \/>\nME which attacked her body relentlessly.<\/p>\n<p>*Shows reconstruction footage of mother with daughter in bed.*<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** By May, she was in a wheelchair, her voice had gone to a whisper, she<br \/>\nwaas having difficulty swallowing, she couldn&#8217;t remember people or things<br \/>\nor places &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** So, physical destruction in a way &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** Yes, then we realised nobody had the answer, there wasn&#8217;t a magic cure.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to footage from 1993 of Lynn&#8217;s bedroom with magazine-derived pictures<br \/>\non wall.  Lynn is lying under this in bed, with a feeding tube in her nose.<br \/>\nShe uses a cloth to cool her face.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** This is Lynn in her sick bed.  She was filmed for a documentary on ME,<br \/>\nwhich showed how, from her 15th birthday, she was paralysed from the waist<br \/>\ndown and could only be fed through a tube.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** It was a conscious decision that I was going to look after her, and I<br \/>\ntold her many times, for as long as it takes, I&#8217;ll be here, I&#8217;ll look after<br \/>\nyou.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Did she then worry about what she was doing to your life?<\/p>\n<p>*More footage from 1993 of KG pouring Lynn&#8217;s liquid food, taking the bottle<br \/>\ninto her room and attaching it to Lynn&#8217;s pump.*<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** Yeah.  She said that on occasions.  But she wasn&#8217;t difficult to look<br \/>\nafter.  She didn&#8217;t complain.  She might lie and cry in pain sometimes, but<br \/>\nshe didn&#8217;t complain.  And in fact, I was honoured to spend so much time with<br \/>\nher, she was a wonderful person, because she was so determined, she was very,<br \/>\nvery strong; she was a real fighter.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** But her body was giving up.  Over 16 years, she would be in hospital fifty<br \/>\ntimes, with a succession of serious illnesses.<\/p>\n<p>**KG to LG:** How&#8217;s that, Lynn? All right? You&#8217;ll feel better once you&#8217;ve something<br \/>\nin your tum, OK?<\/p>\n<p>*Lynn places long feeding tube behind her pillow. Then a picture of Kay and<br \/>\nLynn with their faces pressed together.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Kay was there constantly for her daughter.  But so was the pain.  They both<br \/>\nlived on hope: one day, Lynn *would* recover.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to KG and sister examining Lynn&#8217;s clothes, still in plastic wrappers.*<\/p>\n<p>**KG&#8217;s sister:** She was such a beautiful girl; I could imagine her looking<br \/>\nabsolutely stunning in something like that.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** She was going to make up for the time that she&#8217;s lost &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>**KG&#8217;s sister:** Which was the time she never had &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** Yes, but she was hoping that she would be the young woman, going out to<br \/>\noccasions, to wear this stuff &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Did you feel though, watching her, that somehow you were ahead of her,<br \/>\nthinking, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know how to tell you this, but I don&#8217;t think this is<br \/>\nbeatable&#8221;?<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** Yeah, say whatever is causing the ME goes away, she&#8217;s now left with all<br \/>\nthese very, very significant conditions.  She had osteoporosis, with 50%<br \/>\nbone loss; she had broken bones, just by being moved; total adrenal failure,<br \/>\nongoing anaemia, liver dysfunction, hypothalmic dysfunction &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** You&#8217;ve given a list there which is enough to end a life &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** Premature ovarian failure &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Well, even that on its own was a signal to her that she would never have<br \/>\nchildren.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** She got to the point herself where she said, &#8220;I&#8217;m too broken; you can&#8217;t<br \/>\nfix me anymore&#8221;.  She felt her only escape was to die. *(Shows picture of<br \/>\nLynn with very sad face, in hospital bed.)*<\/p>\n<p>*Footage of bird flying.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** And she tried to break free, in May 2007, attempting suicide.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to JV and SG walking along beach*<\/p>\n<p>**SG:** She mentioned on several occasions that she did not want to carry on the<br \/>\nway she was; she did make us aware that she wanted to end her life, yes.  She<br \/>\nwas a very intelligent girl who knew exactly what she wanted to do and what<br \/>\nhad to be done.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** However painful for her brother and parents, there was no doubting Lynn&#8217;s<br \/>\nwish to die.  She had painstakingly written her own online journal.<\/p>\n<p>*Shows birds over sea.*<\/p>\n<p>**Actor reading LG&#8217;s words:** My body and mind is broken. I am so desperate to<br \/>\nend the neverending carousel of pain and suffering. I have nothing left and I am<br \/>\nspent.<\/p>\n<p>*(Note: you can read what Lynn actually wrote [here](http:\/\/www.25megroup.org\/Members%20Interests\/Members%20experiences\/members%20experiences.html); search for &#8220;And I&#8217;ve had enough&#8221;)*<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts back to KG&#8217;s house.*<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** You&#8217;re torn apart, because you&#8217;ve got one part of you wanting to respect<br \/>\nyour daughter&#8217;s wishes, and you&#8217;ve got your heart being ripped out at the same<br \/>\ntime because, because all you want to do is make them better and keep them<br \/>\nalive.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** But what point did you realise that not only were you prepared for her to<br \/>\ngo, but you were actually prepared to help?<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** I knew I&#8217;d be prepared to take her to Switzerland, however I did it &#8212; I<br \/>\ndon&#8217;t know how I would get her there &#8212; but I knew I would be prepared to try<br \/>\nand get her there.  But there&#8217;s no way I could know how I would react in the<br \/>\nsituation I found myself in.<\/p>\n<p>*Shows picture of Kay beside Lynn in hospital.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Lynn couldn&#8217;t wait for Switzerland. In December 2008, she took a massive<br \/>\ndose of morphine.  When I first met Kay, we didn&#8217;t talk about the events of<br \/>\nthat night.  On our second meeting, she was ready to.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** She held it up to show me, and there was a third left of the whole dose.<br \/>\nI just was sat beside her and said, &#8220;what are you doing?&#8221; &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** So &#8230; you talked to her.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** Yes.  I tried to, em, dissuade her, and she asked me, pleaded with me, to<br \/>\nget her more morphine, so I went and got the morphine and took it into her and<br \/>\nI saw the look of determination, like she&#8217;d psyched herself up, and really,<br \/>\n&#8220;I have to do this&#8221;.  And she took the last two syringes I gave her and she<br \/>\nwouldn&#8217;t let me go near them; she obviously knew that she had to do it.  And<br \/>\nshe pressed the plungers, and just as she did, the lights went out in the<br \/>\nhouse, one of the circuits went out.  And I said &#8220;wait&#8221;, because my heart was<br \/>\nwanting her to stay, and she said &#8220;no&#8221;, and continued to push the plunger in;<br \/>\nshe went unconscious straight away.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Her last words to you were what?<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** Her last words were, she&#8217;s frightened.  And I thought she was frightened<br \/>\nof the unknown, and I said, &#8220;why are you frightened?&#8221;, and she said, &#8220;I&#8217;m<br \/>\nfrightened for you, and I&#8217;m frightened it won&#8217;t work&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to scene of police cars outside the Gilderdale house, with &#8220;9th<br \/>\nDecember 2008&#8221; at bottom of screen, then policeman putting on helmet on<br \/>\nexiting the house.*<\/p>\n<p>**Male news reader:** Detectives are investigating the death of 31-year-old Lynn<br \/>\nGilderdale after they were called to a house in Stonegate, East Sussex, last<br \/>\nThursday &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>*Shows picture of Lynn, with 16th April 2009 at bottom of screen, then a news<br \/>\nbulletin, then KG getting into a car on a rainy day.*<\/p>\n<p>**Female news reader:** &#8230; died after a 17-year struggle with ME has been<br \/>\ncharged with trying to kill her.  Lynn Gilderdale&#8217;s &#8230; *(fades out)*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** So now it was not just a family matter; police and courts are involved.<br \/>\nToday, Kay is due in Crown Court.  Will she face a full trial, and on what<br \/>\ncharge?<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** I&#8217;m anxious, because even though you have an idea of what&#8217;s supposed to<br \/>\nhappen today, I won&#8217;t know till I&#8217;m there and it happens.  What I would like,<br \/>\nobviously, is for them to drop the charge of attempted murder. <\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to outside court in Lewes.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** She has pleaded guilty to assisting Lynn&#8217;s suicide, but will never<br \/>\naccept the other charge, attempted murder.  Her family know that could mean<br \/>\nlife in jail.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** I&#8217;ll never plead guilty to that charge, no matter what they offer me.<br \/>\nThey can put me in a cell, they can do anything they want.  I&#8217;d no right to<br \/>\nforce her to stay and suffer more.<\/p>\n<p>*Shows KG and others leaving court, same footage as at start of programme.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Less than two hours later, the family emerge from court in shock.  The<br \/>\nCrown is pursuing the attempted murder charge.  The trial date is set for<br \/>\nJanuary.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** It will never change, that I know I did the right thing for Lynn.  She&#8217;s<br \/>\nfree, and at peace, where she needed to be.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to Lynn&#8217;s tree in a churchyard, with plaque reading &#8220;In loving memory<br \/>\nof Lynn Gilderdale, 20th Sept 1977 &#8211; 4th Dec 2008&#8221;  KG is holding a trowel<br \/>\nand arranging things in the bed around the tree; then it cuts to footage of<br \/>\nthe House of Lords; 7th July 2009 at bottom of screen.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Kay&#8217;s prosecution came as our lawmakers were trying to work out if it<br \/>\ncould ever be legal to help a suicide.  In the House of Lords, some suggested<br \/>\nthat a relative that took a person abroad to die should not be arrested on<br \/>\ntheir return.<\/p>\n<p>**Unidentified male peer:** Nobody, in my view, has the stomach to prosecute<br \/>\nin cases of compassionate assitance.<\/p>\n<p>**BC:** By going with this amendment, we turn the traffic light from red to green<br \/>\non state-sanctioned assisted dying.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Baroness Campbell&#8217;s impassioned plea won the day.  She said it was too<br \/>\ndangerous to relax the law.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to outside a court; Debbie Purdy emerges.  30th July 2009 at bottom of<br \/>\nscreen.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** But then, Debbie Purdy won a landmark appeal which reversed the argument.<br \/>\nShe wanted the assurance that if her husband helped her die, he would not be<br \/>\njailed.  The Director of Public Prosecutions reacts by saying he&#8217;ll bring out<br \/>\nguidelines.<\/p>\n<p>KS: Because of the position Mrs Purdy&#8217;s in in particular, I&#8217;m going to issue<br \/>\nan interim policy ready for the end of September.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to footage of a champagne bottle being opened, then cheers, then to KG<br \/>\nsitting in front of Lynn&#8217;s tree, with children playing at school in the<br \/>\nbackground.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** But as Debbie Purdy&#8217;s supporters celebrated, in Sussex, Kay was still left<br \/>\nworrying she could be found guilty of attempting to murder her own child.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to home video footage of KG in her living room, with caption &#8220;Video<br \/>\ndiary, 24th August 2009, then to a woman removing a large cardboard box from<br \/>\nthe house and putting it in a van.*<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** The last week has been very difficult.  I feel I have to clear things out<br \/>\nin the house, and get everything organised because I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s going<br \/>\nto happen.  The other thing that I&#8217;ve been doing is, she wanted me to have a<br \/>\nsale for ME, so I&#8217;ve booked the village hall, so I&#8217;m going to have the sale<br \/>\nthat she wanted to have.<\/p>\n<p>*People shown bringing material into the village hall, then old ladies<br \/>\nstanding over cake, and men hanging a banner reading &#8220;25% ME Group, a support<br \/>\ngroup for severe ME sufferers&#8221;.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Kay is well supported locally.  The sale in Lynn&#8217;s memory brings the<br \/>\nvillage together.  It is, at least, a distraction from the court case.<\/p>\n<p>*People shown in sale; KG stands with LS and her baby daughter Lynn.*<\/p>\n<p>**LS:** Lynn was a fantastic part of my life; I&#8217;ve given my newborn daughter<br \/>\nLynn&#8217;s name, just to keep that going.  It just seems absolutely incredible<br \/>\nthat a mother who was so caring and loving and supportive could have had that<br \/>\ncharge thrown at her. I don&#8217;t understand it, I don&#8217;t think I ever will, and I<br \/>\ndon&#8217;t think many others do.<\/p>\n<p>*Shows KG pulling doors of village hall closed at end of sale, and lights<br \/>\ngoing out.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** So Kay&#8217;s friends are hoping the DPP&#8217;s new guidelines will shed light on<br \/>\nher case.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to interview with Kier Starmer, 23rd Sept 2009.*<\/p>\n<p>KS: What we&#8217;ve tried to do in the policy is distinguish between those who are<br \/>\nvulnerable to the encouragement of others who may gain, on the one hand, and<br \/>\non the other hand, the family, um, compassionate sort of arrangements that are<br \/>\nmade in many tragic cases where people fear they may be prosecuted.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to outside KG&#8217;s house.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Those words lift Kay&#8217;s spirits.  The guidelines suggest that the help<br \/>\nshe gave Lynn was legal.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** More and more details have come out, and he [Kier Starmer] lists factors<br \/>\nthat indicate when somebody should be prosecuted, when they should not.  They<br \/>\nappear to me to be very clear and very helpful.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to BC in her office.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Not everyone agrees.  Just before Christmas, I met Baroness Campbell who&#8217;d<br \/>\nargued so strongly in the House of Lords.  The guidelines alarm her.<\/p>\n<p>**BC:** They&#8217;re not just guidelines; they&#8217;re the beginning of the process.  Once<br \/>\nyou open the door a crack, you&#8217;re beginning to sanction, or say to a culture,<br \/>\n&#8220;yes, in some circumstance, it is right to mercy-kill disabled or terminally<br \/>\nill people.  I would say to you: that&#8217;s very dangerous.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Here you have a situation with a very ill &#8212; *very* ill daughter &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>**BC:** Yes.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Been ill for a long time, can&#8217;t move, she wants to die and she enlists<br \/>\nthe help of her mum; the next thing that happens is, she&#8217;s in court; that<br \/>\ndoesn&#8217;t feel right, does it?<\/p>\n<p>**BC:** If we don&#8217;t send the strong message out that says, killing someone,<br \/>\nhelping them to commit suicide is wrong, and it&#8217;s against the law &#8212; if we<br \/>\ndon&#8217;t do that, the consequences are going to be far worse, and yes, if that<br \/>\nmeans a day in court, and it will be tough, then that&#8217;s the price we have to<br \/>\npay for keeping safe, possibly hundreds of people in similar circumstances.<br \/>\nI hope Kay, the loving mother in court, will understand why she&#8217;s there and<br \/>\nI hope we take care of her.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to Kay on train. 19th November 2009 at bottom of screen.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** But she does not feel taken care of.  With the guidelines out, Kay is<br \/>\nstill facing a trial.  The charge is still attempted murder.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** The situation that I&#8217;m in shows that even with the interim guidelines,<br \/>\nthat people are still prosecuted.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** She&#8217;s going to Wales to see a man who used to be a prominent figure in<br \/>\npublic life.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** We&#8217;re on our way to go and see Chris Woodhead who&#8217;s got motor neurone<br \/>\ndisease, and it&#8217;s going to be very interesting to hear his feelings at what<br \/>\nhe&#8217;s going to have to face in the future.<\/p>\n<p>*Kay gets off train at an unidentified station and walks across a bridge;<br \/>\nthen footage of estuarine scenery in twilight with poll results on top.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** A poll carried out for this programme found that where a person is<br \/>\nterminally ill, about three-quarters of those questioned thought friends<br \/>\nand relatives should be able to assist without fear of prosecution.  Chris<br \/>\nWoodhead believes the existing law should be left alone.<\/p>\n<p>*KG shown getting out of car, then entering CW&#8217;s study and shaking hands with<br \/>\nCW.*<\/p>\n<p>**CW:** Hello Kay, forgive me not getting up.  Bit of a struggle.  Really nice<br \/>\nto see you.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Chris knows that motor neurone disease will kill him.  He simply wants<br \/>\ncontrol over when, and the right to choose who will help if he can&#8217;t do it<br \/>\nhimself.<\/p>\n<p>**CW:** There will come a time when I will prefer to end it.  That, of course,<br \/>\nposes a question of timing.  If you leave it too late, then you are<br \/>\ndependent on your nearest and dearest, and there is still a great deal of<br \/>\nuncertainty about where that leaves the person who has helped you.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** The DPP [Starmer] intended his guidelines to make things clearer.  But<br \/>\nChris Woodhead believes they&#8217;ve actually made matters worse.<\/p>\n<p>**CW:** On one hand, he&#8217;s saying that if somebody acts through good motives, that<br \/>\nthey&#8217;re not seeking to benefit personally from the death, then that&#8217;s OK,<br \/>\nbut of course the person who&#8217;s going to assist you may offer assistance out<br \/>\nof the best possible motives, their love for you, but they are likely to<br \/>\nbenefit from your death, and possibly are likely to end up in court, being<br \/>\nprosecuted <\/p>\n<p>**KG:** I just felt such relief when I saw what I thought was going to be hope for<br \/>\npeople who are in this position, but then as time went on, I thought, it&#8217;s<br \/>\nnot enough.<\/p>\n<p>**CW:** You know, I&#8217;d rather live with the grey situation that we&#8217;re in and rely<br \/>\nupon the wisdom and experience of the individual doctor.  I&#8217;m probably in a<br \/>\nbetter position where we are than if the great and the good have pontificated<br \/>\nand Parliament has ruled, and the so-called grey area has been clarified in a<br \/>\nway that is more, you know, definite.  I&#8217;m just not confident that we&#8217;re ever<br \/>\ngoing to get to that clarity.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to Debbie Purdy&#8217;s husband playing violin, and Purdy watching, then to<br \/>\nDP talking to KG.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** But clarity is precisely what people like Debbie Purdy are calling for.<br \/>\nHer landmark case led directly to the DPP reviewing the current guidelines.<br \/>\nIf Debbie&#8217;s progressive MS [multiple sclerosis] becomes too much, she wants<br \/>\nto be sure her husband, Omar, won&#8217;t be prosecuted if she chooses to die<br \/>\nabroad with his help.<\/p>\n<p>**DP:** Well, the idea of saying, &#8220;well, a fudge in the law, lack of clarity,<br \/>\nlet&#8217;s not talk about it, let&#8217;s not get it any clearer, it&#8217;s lack of respect<br \/>\nfor the democratic process.  This is the only law in the United Kingdom where<br \/>\ncarrying out an act is legal but assisting in that act is illegal.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** You&#8217;re saying to somebody, &#8220;we respect your right, you can take your life,<br \/>\nbut yet you can&#8217;t tell somebody else that they can assist you if you&#8217;re not<br \/>\nable to do it&#8221;.  So it doesn&#8217;t make sense; the law doesn&#8217;t make sense as it<br \/>\nstands.<\/p>\n<p>**DP:** We&#8217;re asking politicians to pass a law that gives a guideline to enable<br \/>\npatients to make choices for themselves and if they require help, to be able<br \/>\nto ask for help.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to footage of car travelling through London.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** With a lot to think about, Kay goes back to Sussex.  She&#8217;s burdened not<br \/>\nonly with the loss of her daughter, but with preparing to fight her corner in<br \/>\na court case that is now only weeks away.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** All the talk about new guidelines on assisted suicide and everything<br \/>\nhasn&#8217;t made any difference to my case.  When I was charged in the beginning,<br \/>\nI had ideas of this charge being dropped, and now I feel that the trial is<br \/>\nalmost here and I really don&#8217;t know what to expect.  I suppose in some ways,<br \/>\nI&#8217;ve prepared myself for &#8230; anything.<\/p>\n<p>*Shows results of poll against London night scene &#8211; 48% Yes, 49% No, 3%<br \/>\nDon&#8217;t Know.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** In our poll where, as in Lynn&#8217;s case, an illness is painful and incurable<br \/>\nbut not fatal, public opinion is pretty evenly split on friends on friends and<br \/>\nrelatives being able to assist without fear of prosecution.<\/p>\n<p>**BC:** For those of us who have terminal illnesses or progessive disabilities,<br \/>\nthe law is there that says &#8220;no, thou shalt not kill us&#8221;, but it has a kind<br \/>\nheart and understands the complex nature and the tragedies that surround some<br \/>\nof these cases.  <\/p>\n<p>**JV:** If you had been Lynn&#8217;s mother, would you have said no?<\/p>\n<p>**BC:** I&#8217;d like to think that I would have done.  I think about whether I&#8217;d want<br \/>\nto be helped on my way, and then think &#8220;goodness, what would that do to my<br \/>\nhusband for the rest of his life?&#8221;.  For me, it&#8217;s as wrong to ask somebody to<br \/>\nkill you as it is for someone to kill you.  It&#8217;s not all one way.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to airport, with KG and friend pulling suitcases. 26th November 2009 at<br \/>\nbottom of screen.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Kay&#8217;s family are from Ireland.  The bonds are strong.  They&#8217;ve suggested<br \/>\ngetting together before she faces a judge and jury.  It is very nearly a year<br \/>\nsince Lynn died.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to airport in Dublin; KG and friend are met by her brother, Vinnie<br \/>\nBoles.*<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** Hi, how are you, OK?<\/p>\n<p>**VB:** Not so bad.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** His brother Vinnie will toast the niece his sister is accused of trying<br \/>\nto murder.<\/p>\n<p>*KG and VB shown walking into bar in Dublin.*<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** Hi everyone.<\/p>\n<p>**VB:** Ladies and gentlemen, I&#8217;d like to propose a toast to Lynn as it is her<br \/>\nanniversary, and I know she would take a lot of joy in seeing Kay smile, and<br \/>\nwill always be in her thoughts.<\/p>\n<p>*They chink their glasses together.*<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** All the support really does help me get through it; it&#8217;s helped me get<br \/>\nthrough the last year, and I reckon Lynn is sitting there somewhere saying,<br \/>\n&#8220;cheers, I&#8217;m in a better place&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>*A slow tune is played on a piano; cuts to churchyard.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Kay&#8217;s sister lives in the same house their grandparents once shared.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** It&#8217;s really nice; it&#8217;s still got that lovely peaceful feeling to it.<\/p>\n<p>*They approach a church; KG shown standing in front of a grave.*<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** My grandparents are buried here, and my mother is buried here as well.<br \/>\nIt&#8217;s certainly the wrong order of things to lose your children, a child,<br \/>\nbefore you, but I never thought I&#8217;d outlive my children.<\/p>\n<p>*Shows close-up picture of Lynn&#8217;s face, then to KG at home.*<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** I didn&#8217;t know how long it would take for Lynn to die.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** When did you realise that Lynn had actually died?<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** It was at ten past seven in the morning.  I think I knew instantly.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** It took 30 hours for Lynn to die.  The cause of death: a morphine overdose.<br \/>\nLynn injected the morphine into herself, of course, so what exactly did her<br \/>\nmother do?  The prosecution said she gave her crushed-up pills and injected<br \/>\nher with air, and extra morphine, breaking off to surf the net for information<br \/>\non overdoses.  She was unsure her daughter would die, so she took over.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to JV and KG at KG&#8217;s house.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** If what she was able to do on her own didn&#8217;t cause the end of her life, the<br \/>\nstate still seems to say at that point, it&#8217;s wrong for you to take over.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** Yes, but I felt that Lynn was dying after the morphine overdose.  She<br \/>\nstarted to show signs of distress with her breathing and I was really worried<br \/>\nthat she was suffering in some way.  So I got a few tablets, again, not the<br \/>\ncocktail the papers reported or that the prosecution made it sound to be.<br \/>\nI crushed them, then gave them to her.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** So that is the moment where, for the first time in all of this, I guess,<br \/>\nyou have taken the initiative?<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** Yes, I was trying to work out what I could give her that would stop the<br \/>\ndistress without causing her harm.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** What were you doing on the internet at this point?  What was that for?<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** They made it sound in court as though I&#8217;d searched the internet for ages<br \/>\nand that I wasn&#8217;t with Lynn; any time I left Lynn, I had an intercom with me<br \/>\nand I was running &#8212; I didn&#8217;t want to be away from her; I was running back<br \/>\nand forth.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Did you inject her with air?<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** No, I don&#8217;t &#8230; I don&#8217;t remember injecting her with air.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** You phoned the euthanasia group, Exit &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** Yes.<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Why did you do that?<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** I wanted advice; I wanted to know why she didn&#8217;t die with the amount of<br \/>\nmorphine that she had.  I wanted to be with her, and to do whatever I could to<br \/>\nmake that time as comfortable as possible, and yes, the state is saying that<br \/>\nonce that point came where I started to administer things, that it was<br \/>\nattempted murder, but it wasn&#8217;t; it was helping Lynn to be as comfortable as<br \/>\npossible whilst adhering to her wishes.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts to outside court, with KG and SG walking down the steps and facing the<br \/>\npress.  SG puts his arm around KG while an unidentified male pushes past her.<br \/>\n25th January 2010 at bottom of screen.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** At last, relief for the family; Kay is cleared.  The jury took only two<br \/>\nhours to throw the case out.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** Thank you all.<\/p>\n<p>**Unidentified man:** Excuse me please *(pushes past KG)*.<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** I&#8217;m just very grateful for the outcome.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts back to KG&#8217;s house.*<\/p>\n<p>**KG:** The hardest thing that I have ever experienced or ever will in my life,<br \/>\nno matter what happens to me; there will be nothing that will compare to the<br \/>\npain and the heartbreak of watching my beautiful daughter leave this world.<\/p>\n<p>*Cuts back to outside BBC building.*<\/p>\n<p>**JV:** Well, since Kay Gilderdale&#8217;s acquittal, the Crown Prosecution Service has<br \/>\nbeen widely criticised for pursuing that attempted murder charge against her.<br \/>\nIt says it accepts the jury&#8217;s verdict, but it is insisting that there was<br \/>\nsufficient evidence to warrant the trial.  You can find out more about this<br \/>\nprogramme and of course about the poll that we&#8217;ve been reporting on by going<br \/>\nto the Panorama website.<\/p>\n<p>*Preview of following programme, then credits.*<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This programme, which had been made during the period between the death of Lynn Gilderdale and her mother Kay&#8217;s trial for her attempted murder, was broadcast after Kay Gilderdale was acquitted (she had admitted&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":0,"parent":1792,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-2592","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/P17bgV-FO","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.blogistan.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/2592","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.blogistan.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.blogistan.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.blogistan.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.blogistan.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2592"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/www.blogistan.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/2592\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2600,"href":"https:\/\/www.blogistan.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/2592\/revisions\/2600"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.blogistan.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/1792"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.blogistan.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2592"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}