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Sorry brother. No love lost for the Muslim Brother and I suspect, and dont get me wrong, that you reflexivly defend these hizbis or any Muslim no matter what. They cause trouble, major trouble and no use allowing them into Britain so later Muslims will have to suffer for their activities. They dont do that crap in Muslim countries because they know they cant get away with it. You think Syria has a problem with the Ihkwanis anymore? Yes they were completely completely utterly heavy handed but the Brotherhood have been nothing but a fitna since their beginning.

At school there is a sister I know that completely defends them which leads me to believe that their charity work and opposition to leaders in the Muslim countries appeals to people but you dont fight an evil with an evil.

Now I will sit back and enjoy all the criticisms. Thanks guys.

Given the past record of the Syrian government and Syrian courts the fact that they have coinvicted someone of belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood is not a reason to think he actually does. Even if he does, if that is his only offence, twelve years imprisonment is a rather excessive punishment.The syrians were not "completely completely utterly heavy handed " with the muslim brotherhood in Hama but with tens of thousands of uninvolved civilians too. If the Israelis used tactics anything like that you- and everyone else- would be appalled, Bikhair aka Taqiyyah.

In the two cases here, After what happened in Somalia, especially over the last few years, it'd be as well to assume that somali concepts of normal behaviour include things like slashing peoples' faces and murder for what seem trivial reasons to the rest of us and make due provisions before admitting Somalis older than babies to the UK.

Assalamu Alaikum,

Whilst Im'm not justifying such behaviour on the part of the Somali girl, I do wonder whether she would have resorted to doing that had the school better systems in place for punishing people who huniliate you by beating you up in front of 100 others people (as happened to this girl days before the slashing incident). Given that a knife, as opposed to sticks or her fingernails was used, it speaks to me more of frustration and anger than of adherence to a Somali cultural practice as the defence seemed to be arguing. It ticks me off when Muslims allow the defence to use Islam or certain cultural practices to justify their involvement in violence or criminality, it only gives fuel to the anti Muslim/anti immigrant lobby.

Not necessarily a "Somali cultural practise", but the product of what somali society has been like for a great many years. Add in clan and kinship loyalties and hatred and hostility to outsiders encouraged and exacerbated by Somali versions of islam and you've got a culture which will make extremes of violence the first resort under any circumstances.

Thersite,

"The syrians were not "completely completely utterly heavy handed " with the muslim brotherhood in Hama but with tens of thousands of uninvolved civilians too. If the Israelis used tactics anything like that you- and everyone else- would be appalled, Bikhair aka Taqiyyah."

Dont pigeon hole me. How dare you? For you information I was speaking with references to the thousands of innocent people that were killed not only the brotherhood. They however bare some of the responsibility. Please dont bring Isreal up to me. That isnt my religion, youve got the wrong Muslim.

Thersites: its got nothing to do with relgion or culture and everything to do with self defence and revenge. I know plently of girls at my school (and neighbouring schools)of all races and religions who would have done serious damage to that Shanni had she kicked someone in their head and repeatly bullied an individual.

Its typical of the media to make this an issue about culture when it isnt.

Do you honestly believe only somali/muslim women resort to such tactics when they've been attacked and that an english non muslim women/girl wouldnt do the same had she been repeatly abused verbally and physically by another woman/girl?

Shanni is just fortuante that she wasnt attending one of the rougher schools in South London which i attended. I can confidently say that her injuries would of involved broken bones, black eyes and possiably being stabbed by both black and white girls of non muslim background, let alone muslim girls.

Personally speaking, i wouldnt of used a knife but had that been me in that somali girl's situation i would have waited for after school on her own (with a few friends of my own) and given her a damn good beating ! Nothing to do with faith or culture, just getting my own back :) Theres no way that i would let someone kick my head in and get away with that and i doubt you would as well Thersites if a man came up to you and attacked you first!

P/S: in case your wondering who 'Shanni' is, that was the girl who got her faced slashed. Thought i'd clarify that so you knew who i was on about.

" You think Syria has a problem with the Ihkwanis anymore? Yes they were completely completely utterly heavy handed but the Brotherhood have been nothing but a fitna since their beginning." "For you information I was speaking with references to the thousands of innocent people that were killed not only the brotherhood. They however bare some of the responsibility." Both quotes from Bikhair aka Taqiyyah.

How do innocent people "bare some of the responsibility"? Were the Syrians enfocing muslim dress codes with extreme prejudice, perhaps? If you mean that they bear responsibility, what do they bear responsibility for? Being ruled by a bunch of murderous Baathists or having their city invaded by a bunch of murderous bigots or both?

I didn't "bring Israel up to you" because you're a muslim but because many more people have heard of and criticised- justly enough- Israel's much more moderate actions than have heard of Hama and what happened there, let alone said something about it.

The fact remains, even if you think a sentence of twelve years in an iraqi prison is just puniushment for being a Muslim Brother, the fact that he has been convicted by a syrian court does not mean he was actually guilty of the "crime".

Somali Expat, you prove my point.

Thersites: and what point was that exactly?

According to you, the somali's girls actions were as a result of something 'trival' according to the native population. I highly doubt that many people in this country whatever race or faith would not consider bullying a trival matter especially when you have children in this country who are too scared to attend school and some who resort to taking their own lives as a result of bullying.

You made the assumtpion that it was common in somali culture to slah people's faces, which highlights your own ignornace. Its amazing how someon who has no knowlegde and no contact or connection with somalia/somalis or their culture is abled to make such an assertion.

This isnt about race or culture, its about a bully and her victim. That somali girl was bullied because she was an immigrant to britian and i imagine race proabably played a part too. Bullying is a horrfic thing to go thorugh and to bully someone on any ground is unacceptable. The only thing i proved to you, was that i would never stand to be bullied myself and yes resort to fighting back- if someone else started it. I personally would never insitagate violence.

You wouldnt be able to claim that my actions or thoughts are a product of some warped islamic somali culture when i was raised in this country (england) from infantcy and have more in common and identify culturally and socially with white/black/asian girls of my generation in london then i do with a somali girl born and raised back in somalia.

Had the somali girl been the instigator and the bully towards this english girl, i would have no symphathies with the somali girl. The fact that she is somali is irrevant!

All i can say finally is that Thank god we dont live in america were guns are avaible at the corner shops and supermarkets. There have been plently of instances there were a bullied victim has resorted to such extreme measures by killing those who bullied them (if they hadnt killed themselves already)

"...Somali versions of islam"

Thersite,

Excuse me, what are you on about? You obviously haven't a clue about Somalis or Islam in Somalia.

versions of Islam in Somalia? You've made my day with your ignorance.

Thersite,

"How do innocent people "bare some of the responsibility"?"

No, the Brotherhood bare some responsibility along with the Syrian response to the Brotherhood that bare some of the responsibility along with the Syrian governments and their response to the activities of the Brotherhood, who bare some responsibility along with the Syrian governmnemt. IS THAT CLEAR?

"I didn't "bring Israel up to you" because you're a muslim but because many more people have heard of and criticised- justly enough- Israel's much more moderate actions than have heard of Hama and what happened there, let alone said something about it."

I am not "many more people" I am Bikhair. That was my point. Dont give me that many more people bullcrap. You mean many more Muslims, I am Muslim, you assumed my politics, and critized.

Tell me about it Saggal :)

Its funny but ever since all this about somalia has been on the media forefront, the amount of people making proclamtions about somalia is extordinary, especially seeing that almost none of these people are somali and have any real and substantial knowlegde about our country.

Seems like Thersites is another one of these e-trolls whos perceptions and expriences about us is nothing more then what they've read on a few sheets of paper and in the vitural world of the net.

We shouldn't give asylum to someone from the Muslim Brotherhood. There are many more deserving cases.

There is a great being fought by anti-muslims..So muslims must work hard..This is itself another Jihaaaaaaad..

Someone from the Islamic Brotherhood and someone who the Syrian government alleges is from the islamic Brotherhood are not necessarily the same thing, OP.

BaT: Compare the amount of newspaper space devoted to every Israeli incursion into Palestinian towns or villages with the amount of attention paid- then and since- to the Syrian government's slaughter of more than twenty thousand of their own citizens. You will find a hundred people- muslim or not- who know of and condemn the death of less than a hundred people in Jenin for every one that has heard of Hama.

SomaliExpat: if you don't identify "culturally and socially" with Somalis you chose the wrong nom de guerre. Alleged casual bullying is a trivial matter compared with making an improvised weapon designed to maim or kill. I don't think it is a matter of one particular Somali custom. I think it is a consequence of contemporary Somali culture. You should say "All i can say finally is that Thank god we dont live in Somalia were guns are avaible at the corner shops and supermarkets." actually.