Melanie Phillips: Liar or Ignoramus?

Mad Mel’s Diary: the “War Against the West”

Mel comments on the King Fahad Academy controversy, in which a sacked former teacher accuses the school of teaching from a textbook which makes some unflattering references to non-Muslims. Referring to the appearance by the school’s spokeswoman, Dr Sumaya Alyusuf, on Newsnight on Tuesday, she alleges:

Furthermore, anyone familiar with the verse in the Koran that describes Jews and Christians as monkeys and pigs, and who knows with what sickening frequency this incitement to hatred is preached in the Muslim world, would instantly recognise Dr Alyusuf’s protestations of ‘mistranslation’ as pure humbug. As this report [from MEMRI] shows in detail, the ‘apes and pigs’ insult is standard Islamist discourse. The idea that this is a ‘mistranslation’ is simply ludicrous.

Anyone who has really read the passages Mel is talking about knows that they do not “describe Jews and Christians as monkeys and pigs”, but mention that a group of Jews (and not Christians) centuries ago were turned into such creatures. While “sons of apes and pigs” is a common Arab insult against Jews, the passage in question does not in any way demonstrate that those particular Jews are the ancestors of today’s Jews. (See this comment for a classical opinion on this.)

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  • Haroon

    Mad Mel on Newsnight:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Ya9h2eMAE&eurl=

    Nether-World does an excellent analysis of her mischief making:

    http://nether-world.blogspot.com/2007/02/melanie-phillips-and-her-vitriol.html

  • http://www.factsontheground.co.uk W Dean

    I think she’s both a liar and an Ignoramus.

  • paul maleski

    Melanie Rozenburg is playing a very dangerous propaganda game. What she is doing, is isolating the Moslem community ever further from mainstream British politics. And in doing so, inciting alienated Islamic radicals into even more heinous terroist activity and encouraging unbelievers to burn down mosques or whatever. She constantly alludes to Judeo-Christian values. This is a mendacious oxymoron if there was ever one. She should spend less time imitating Ilya Ehrenburg, Theodore Kaufmann et al and stop reading the disgusting Deutermony all together. It was the Jewish Bolsheviks who dynamited Russian Orthodox churches. Why does the Jew despise the Goyim? I think Maurice Samuel, wrote, ‘We Jews, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever.’ He must have been thinking of Melanie Rozenburg.

  • George Carty

    Hmmm, I thought Ilya Ehrenburg was right about the Nazis.

    And weren’t most of the Jewish Bolsheviks (whose allegiance was understandable, given Tsarist pogroms), later murdered by the antisemite Joseph Stalin?

    Then again, bashing Islam is IMHO far more dangerous than opposing Nazism. Nazism was a pure ideology of conquest (you can’t have a “master race” without one or more slave races) so was fatally discredited by military defeat in itself. Islam isn’t that fragile - in fact lands have only been de-Islamified by outright ethnic cleansing, as even rabid Islamophobe SM Stirling admits

  • paul maleski

    George let me attempt to enlighten you, Killer Ehrenburg was a Zionist anti-German psychopath. If anyone is responsible for the mass rape of innocent German women—it is him. I believe he bequeathed his papers to Vad Yesham library. If Stalin was anti-semitic, he had a very odd way of displaying it. Of his three wives/partners, all of them were Jewish: Ekaterina Svanidze, Kadya Allevijah, and lastly, Rosa Kaganovich (sister of the notorious Zionist Lazar Kaganovich). Who took a leading role in the forced brutal collectivization of the kulaks. Estimates vary on the number of murders Kaganovich is responsible for but an extremely conservative 10 million will do. Some analysts put the total collectivization death toll at a staggering 40,000,000. Tragically, poor, ignorant gentile peasants do not have much influence in the International media. Now it is often said, that Stalin whose real name was Dzhugashvili, equates with Jewison (son of jew) in English. Tens of thousands churches were destroyed after the Revolution; between 1917-35 95,000 priests were executed, during that period I have no doubt that a few antiquated Synagogues fell down. I do not know the death toll of Rabbis murdered by the Communist Soviets. Do you know by any chance?

  • George Carty

    There were no Zionist Communists as far as I know (ethnically Jewish, but not Zionist). And given that the Nazis wanted to exterminate all Slavs, I don’t think the Germans suffered enough at Soviet hands. Didn’t the Holodomor though (plus the fact that Kaganovich was Jewish by ethnicity) substantially help the Nazis in their campaign to seize control of Germany?

    How would you respond to someone who said “So Stalin murdered 40 million? If it wasn’t for the Soviets, Hitler would have won the war and murdered hundreds of millions!”

  • paul maleski

    I would define a Zionist as, ‘a fanatically, destructive individual whose objective is maintaining Jewish Supremacism and concomitantly, perpetuating the fraudulent state of Israel, at the expense of the goyim.’ The broad definition, includes mass murdering, Communist Yiddish speaking Kaganovich and Ehrenburg who never privately disavowed Zionism nor his ancestry; nefarious capitalists ‘might is right’ Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle; and scheming propagandists: Rupert Murdoch and Melanie Rozenburg. The Nazi’s racial policy was to expel the overwhelming bulk of the slavs, jews etc east of the Urals. They never planned to kill everyone of them! Who was going to do the donkey work? Did the Holodomor help the Nazis seize power? I am not sure of that one; but like the Bolshevik Revolution it certainly added grist to the mill; I am convinced that a large number of Zionist Jews who advised Wilson, Lloyd George and Clemenceau, with the drafting of the vindictive Versailles Treaty, most definitely did: e.g. Walter Lippman, Rabbi Wise, Sassoon, Rothschild, the Warburgs etc. The mass murder of millions of Soviet Christians prolonged the war; as millions of survivors, Ukrainians included, welcomed the Nazis as liberators and many willingly fought on their side.

  • http://www.btinternet.com paul maleski

    George: Where are your words of wisdom?

  • George Carty

    Sorry, my message failed to send (I lost my internet connection while I tried to send it yesterday):

    Firstly, what would Zionists have had against Germany in 1919? Imperial Germany was less antisemitic than France, never mind Eastern Europe. I though the harshness of Versailles was more driven by a need to satisfy vengeful public opinion back home.

    Secondly, I can understand why the Allies ultimately lost confidence in Versailles (because it impinged extensively on internal German affairs), but could any treaty not doing this have prevented future German aggression. Germany in the early 20th century was far stronger relatively than France in the early 19th century (Napoleon was only as successful as he was because most of the time he was able to fight his enemies one by one), and thus more difficult to contain. Also it was a nation state, not a multiethnic empire like Austria-Hungary, so breaking it up wouldn’t work either (as the pieces would just join back together again unless indefinitely occupied like the Germanies of the Cold War era).

  • George Carty
  • http://www.btinternet.com paul maleski

    George I am but half pissed but you argue as a jig saw player, a bit here and a bit there. The Zionists (Jewish Bankers)would have had nothing against the Germans. Apart, from being jealous, of their diligence/honesty. Ask yourself: Jew or German? Who would you trust more!?True as Lanzmann, argued, the Jew was highly integrated in Germany; France was far more anti semitic, along with Poland and Austria. No, at Versailles, the Jew stitched Germany up; George take it from me, the Jew and the German are like chalk and cheese. Napoleon like Hitler fought with a multi national army; Dublin born Wellington never conquered Paris, Czar Alexander took Paris in 1814, and later the Russians took Berlin in 1945. Only the Russians could do that. They permitted us to conquer Africa. As for the Zionists! Why were they so frightened. Because they could see the writing was on the wall. Show me a Falasha Nobel Prize Winner? And I will show you a liar.

  • http://www.btinternet.com paul maleski

    All is quiet on the polemical front!

    George, like Rozenburg you are out of your depth. If I was you and Rozenburg, I would wait until the tide went out; meanwhile keep staring at the moon.